What is this 4-propeller plane?
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My dad noticed it flying quite low today, sadly we do not have a better photo.
4-propellers and uniquely shaped tail assembly.
Plane was spotted in northern Poland, around 9.30AM, near border with Russia/Kaliningrad.
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My dad noticed it flying quite low today, sadly we do not have a better photo.
4-propellers and uniquely shaped tail assembly.
Plane was spotted in northern Poland, around 9.30AM, near border with Russia/Kaliningrad.
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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My dad noticed it flying quite low today, sadly we do not have a better photo.
4-propellers and uniquely shaped tail assembly.
Plane was spotted in northern Poland, around 9.30AM, near border with Russia/Kaliningrad.
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My dad noticed it flying quite low today, sadly we do not have a better photo.
4-propellers and uniquely shaped tail assembly.
Plane was spotted in northern Poland, around 9.30AM, near border with Russia/Kaliningrad.
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
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– Russell McMahon
yesterday
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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– Russell McMahon
19 hours ago
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
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– Russell McMahon
yesterday
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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– Russell McMahon
19 hours ago
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
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– Russell McMahon
yesterday
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
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– Russell McMahon
yesterday
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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– Russell McMahon
19 hours ago
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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– Russell McMahon
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered yesterday
RACRAC
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
yesterday
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
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– Alexander Kosubek
yesterday
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
yesterday
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
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While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
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Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
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Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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– jwenting
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered yesterday
RACRAC
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
yesterday
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
yesterday
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
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– Alexander Kosubek
yesterday
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
yesterday
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered yesterday
RACRAC
2,58559
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
yesterday
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
yesterday
10
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
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– Alexander Kosubek
yesterday
4
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
yesterday
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
yesterday
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show 3 more comments
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered yesterday
RACRAC
2,58559
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Where you spotted it would help with probabilities.
However - the tail marks it out as a Maritime Patrol aircraft, of which the only low-wing 4-engine one is the P-3 Orion operated primarily by the US and Oz.
answered yesterday
RACRAC
2,58559
answered yesterday
RACRAC
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RACRAC
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
yesterday
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
yesterday
10
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
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– Alexander Kosubek
yesterday
4
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
yesterday
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
yesterday
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show 3 more comments
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
yesterday
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
yesterday
10
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
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– Alexander Kosubek
yesterday
4
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
yesterday
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
yesterday
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
yesterday
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Added time & location details to question, thank you.
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– Łukasz Daniluk
yesterday
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
yesterday
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There's one other low-wing 4 engine maratime patrol aircraft, the Ilyushin Il-38. Although indeed this looks more like the P-3 Orion.
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– Sanchises
yesterday
10
10
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
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– Alexander Kosubek
yesterday
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I think your answer would benefit from some information as to what exactly about the tail makes it obviously a maritime patrol aircraft.
$endgroup$
– Alexander Kosubek
yesterday
4
4
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
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– J...
yesterday
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@AlexanderKosubek Agreed. The MAD boom on the tail is there specifically for submarine hunting.
$endgroup$
– J...
yesterday
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
yesterday
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For interest: I'd have suggested a P3 - New Zealand (where I live) also operates them although I believe they are about to be phased out.
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– Russell McMahon
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
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Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
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Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
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Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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The fuselage extension at the back of the empennage is similar to that of a Lockheed P-3 Orion
answered yesterday
Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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answered yesterday
Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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Dave GremlinDave Gremlin
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While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
________________________________
Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
edited 17 hours ago
David Richerby
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Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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– David Richerby
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
________________________________
Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
edited 17 hours ago
David Richerby
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Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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– David Richerby
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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– jwenting
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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– David Richerby
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While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
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Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
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While I personally would have thought it was an Orion P3 (as it resembles the Orions flown by the NZ airforce), I suggest that Sanchises suggestion of an Ilyushin IL38 (not II38) seems more likely. This is based on numerous online images of both craft 'at a distance' and the location. The wing shape appears (to me) more like that of the IL38, and one could 'pretend' (given the small image size) that the outer engines appeared somewhat smaller, as is the case with IL38's 'at a distance'.
The IL38 is or was operated by USSR/Russia and India.
Depending on how close the location was to the Russian border the aircraft may have been in Russian or Russian-Kaliningrad airspace. The latter would seem to be an entirely likely location for such an aircraft.
It is also entirely possible (and I have no knowledge either way) that Russia has overflight rights for military aircraft between Russia proper and the Kaliningrad exclave.
Apart from the US Navy (whose aircraft may turn up almost anywhere :-) ) none of the 18 operators of the P-3 are anywhere near the location noted. .
Many P3 Orion photos here
Many Ilyushin IL38 photos here
Here is an image of a US Navy P3 Orion.
It will be seen in many of the images linked above that from a distance the wings tend to appear slightly swept forward due to the larger rear root to tip taper compared to the leading edge taper.
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Here is a diagram of an IL-38
Looking at the many IL38 images linked above shows the wing to appear at a distance as thinner and squarer ended than a P3 Orion.
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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– David Richerby
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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– jwenting
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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– David Richerby
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
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I don't see the radar bulge though, which I think should show up even on the low quality picture.
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– Sanchises
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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– David Richerby
yesterday
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Among the P-3 opeartors, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO, so could reasonably be flying near Kaliningrad. Amsterdam and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is.
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– David Richerby
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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– jwenting
22 hours ago
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@DavidRicherby the Netherlands haven't operated the P-3 for over a decade. The aircraft were given to Germany (for free).
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– jwenting
22 hours ago
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
17 hours ago
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@jwenting Thanks. I just followed the link in the answer, which said "operators", implying current. I've edited the answer to point to Wikipedia instead. Russell, could you please edit your claim about none of the operators except the USN being close? Germany is right next door. Germany, Greece, Norway, Portugal and Spain are all in NATO so could be flying over Poland. Berlin and Oslo are closer to Kaliningrad than Moscow is, and Athens is only about 50km farther away.
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– David Richerby
17 hours ago
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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– David Richerby
17 hours ago
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Also, the aircraft was described as flying low so, unless it appeared very close to the border, it was probably on the Polish side. It's not like it was at 30,000ft and was 20 miles from the observer. And even if Russia does have overflight rights to reach Kaliningrad, they'd be over Lithuania and Belarus, not Poland. That seems unlikely anyway, since Lithuania is in NATO and Kaliningrad is accessible via the international waters of the Baltic.
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– David Richerby
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Have a look at my answer - and especially the many images of each type of craft. I do not know the exact location but (see map in my answer) given the appearance and the various locations mentioned, the IL38 appears the more likely choice. I may be wrong, of course :-).
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See the map in my answer - can you identify the location at which the photo was taken and the direction that the photographer was facing.
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