Why did Stormtroopers leave their stations to watch lightsaber duel between Vader and Kenobi?












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The only reason Luke, Leia, Han and Chewbacca were able to escape the Death Star is because the Stormtroopers left their stations and ran like kids to watch the lightsaber duel between Vader and Kenobi.



Why didn't the stormtroopers act like professionals?



If they were so interested, they could have watched a hologram or video of the duel later.










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    Seriously? There's a lightsaber battle going on and you're not gonna go watch?
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    @Valorum They were probably saying to themselves "Damn, if only we had been clone troopers 30 years ago - the soundtrack to lightsaber fights was sooo much better then".
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    There's also the subtext that the imperials had placed a tracking beacon on the Millennia Falcon. So it gives them an excuse to let the Rebels run home. Their incompetence could have been staged.
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The only reason Luke, Leia, Han and Chewbacca were able to escape the Death Star is because the Stormtroopers left their stations and ran like kids to watch the lightsaber duel between Vader and Kenobi.



Why didn't the stormtroopers act like professionals?



If they were so interested, they could have watched a hologram or video of the duel later.










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    @Valorum They were probably saying to themselves "Damn, if only we had been clone troopers 30 years ago - the soundtrack to lightsaber fights was sooo much better then".
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The only reason Luke, Leia, Han and Chewbacca were able to escape the Death Star is because the Stormtroopers left their stations and ran like kids to watch the lightsaber duel between Vader and Kenobi.



Why didn't the stormtroopers act like professionals?



If they were so interested, they could have watched a hologram or video of the duel later.










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The only reason Luke, Leia, Han and Chewbacca were able to escape the Death Star is because the Stormtroopers left their stations and ran like kids to watch the lightsaber duel between Vader and Kenobi.



Why didn't the stormtroopers act like professionals?



If they were so interested, they could have watched a hologram or video of the duel later.







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    @Valorum They were probably saying to themselves "Damn, if only we had been clone troopers 30 years ago - the soundtrack to lightsaber fights was sooo much better then".
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    There's also the subtext that the imperials had placed a tracking beacon on the Millennia Falcon. So it gives them an excuse to let the Rebels run home. Their incompetence could have been staged.
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    @Valorum They were probably saying to themselves "Damn, if only we had been clone troopers 30 years ago - the soundtrack to lightsaber fights was sooo much better then".
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    There's also the subtext that the imperials had placed a tracking beacon on the Millennia Falcon. So it gives them an excuse to let the Rebels run home. Their incompetence could have been staged.
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@Valorum They were probably saying to themselves "Damn, if only we had been clone troopers 30 years ago - the soundtrack to lightsaber fights was sooo much better then".
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Though whether Darth Vader actually held rank in the Imperial military was unclear, he is still at the very least a VIP aboard the Death Star. The stormtroopers choosing to provide such an important figure with backup when he is engaged in combat with an unknown foe is perfectly reasonable.



In addition, the stormtroopers aboard the Death Star were specifically instructed to allow the Millennium Falcon to escape after the tracking device was installed so that they could be tracked to the location of the rebel base. Leaving their posts to provide aid to Darth Vader is a perfect excuse to do so.






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    Yes - Why also were the tie fighters not effective on the escaping Millennium Falcon? Why not more of them? Why also did the stormtroopers famously miss all the time? I know this is not a discussions page - but the theory that they were ordered to do so to ease the hero's intended escape with the tracker onboard intrigues me...
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    Also Vader's position in ep 4 v's ep 5 is hazy - in ep4 it appears he was not intended to be the emperor's right hand man, but rather immediately under Tarkin in rank, but this changed when ep5 was conceived. All else is retcon.
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    @Andrew In ep 4, Vader accepts Tarkin’s command within Tarkin’s jurisdiction. But still, it’s Vader who got informed that the Emperor dissolved the Senate. So this does not preclude Vader being the Emperor’s right hand being sent out to “help” the generals on missions (like capturing Leia and finding the rebel base) still being performed under the responsibility of the generals while Vader could send an alternative report to the Emperor (and kill all of them if the Emperor commands it).
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    @Holger - no, but remember that star wars Ep 4 was a stand-alone film with no sequels planned at the time of filming - Most of these details that are regarded as lore now were not planned when Ep 4 was filmed (Leia being Luke's sister, Vader being Luke's father, just a couple of examples) contrary to what G.Lucus might sometimes claim, he had no expectation of further films in the series prior to release of the original - but we are in danger of turning this into the discussion thread it shouldn't be.
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    The second paragraph is more convincing. Any halfway decent military force isn't going to have soldiers individually deciding to abandon their posts whenever they decide they might be useful somewhere else. In addition, they didn't actually do anything once they got there, and in a fight between two of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy, they would have mostly just gotten in the way if they had tried.
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According to the film's original novelisation (written by Alan Dean Foster George Lucas himself), the guards were originally attracted to observe the fight, then moved into position to help Vader.




Illuminated by the flare from contacting energy fields, Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader were backing toward the bay. The fight attracted the attention of others beside the Senator. Every one of the guards moved in for a better view of the Olympian conflict.



“Now’s our chance,” Solo observed, starting forward.



All seven of the troopers guarding the ship broke and rushed toward the combatants, going to the Dark Lord’s aid. Threepio barely ducked aside as they ran past him. Turning back into the alcove, he yelled to his companion.



A New Hope: Official Novelisation




This tallies nicely with the film's script




Vader and Ben Kenobi continue their powerful duel. As they hit their lightsabers together, lightning flashes on impact. Troopers look on in interest as the old Jedi and Dark Lord of The Sith fight. Suddenly Luke spots the battle from his group's vantage point.



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Threepio ducks out of sight as the seven stormtroopers who were
guarding the starship rush past them heading towards Ben and The Sith
Knight.
He pulls on Artoo.



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They start for the Millennium Falcon. Ben sees the troops charging toward him and realizes that he is trapped. Vader takes advantage of Ben's momentary distraction and brings his mighty lightsaber down on the old man. Ben manages to deflect the blow and swiftly turns around.



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    Stormtroopers act like professionals? What fictional universe do you inhabit? Certainly not the "Star Wars" universe. Let's go right back to the very first episode. As Obi-Wan remarks, "The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."



    Stormtroopers are naturally weak-minded, so of course they act unprofessionally, even without nudging from the Force. As the saying goes, "I can do stupid all on my own." The first episode demonstrates that they can't even shoot straight, so there's no particular reason to think they can anything else right - at least, not if such failure advances the plot.



    EDIT - I think I should expand on my last point.



    First, we need to step out of canon. The first Star Wars was clearly intended as essentially a comic book come to life. Harrison Ford's classic, "George! You can type this shit, but you sure can't say it!" does rather describe the dialog. And George Lucas wanted what he wanted from the visuals - and he got it. This was fine until folks started taking it seriously and attempting to incorporate the movie into a "real" (whatever that means) world.



    So let's take the Stormtroopers at face value. How are they as soldiers?



    1) They wear armor which does not seem to actually work. I've not watched the original in quite a while, but I do not recall ever seeing a stormtrooper's armor deflecting a shot. If they get hit, they go down. Also, just as a nitpick, you might notice that nobody ever gets hit in the arms, legs, or head. What are the odds?



    2) They carry "laser" weapons with optical sights - and they never use the sights. It's all shoot from the hip, and with terrible accuracy. Green beams flying all over the place and the occasional casualty. Any US Marine today would be ashamed to do it that way. The only reason they don't get slaughtered is that the rebels are just as incompetent.



    3) While #2 might possibly be excused for close-in shootouts, where close range and stress can cause people to do all sorts of funny stuff, the same does not apply, for instance, to the escape of the Millennial Falcon. Here, the troopers are relatively far from the ship and only Han Solo is providing covering fire. He should have been chopped about 3 seconds after the shooting started.



    (Stepping out of canon for a moment, all of this is necessary to advance the plot, while looking good at the same time. Shootouts with laser beams all over the place, heroic covering fire, etc. Pity it doesn't make any sense.)



    So, what have we got? Soldiers who are burdened by inappropriate equipment, and who are incapable of hitting exposed targets at close range and/or completely exposed. In other words, amateurs. And these are supposed to be elite troops?



    Well, yes. Yes they are. And since they are supposed to be elite, they ARE elite - the movies and novelizations say they are.



    There is an old saying about movies: "Show, don't tell." And what the movies show are a bunch of wankers. Apparently the rest of the Star Wars universe is made up of even worse troops, so they are elite wankers, but wankers nonetheless.






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      If stormtroopers are really just "a long time ago"'s version of the Keystone Kops, why would the Empire keep thme around - Vader has a rep for killing people whose work performance is subpar in his opinion.
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      @DavidThornley - "Elite" does not make any absolute statement about competence. It only establishes the elite unit as the best of the available, and widely regarded as such. The on-screen performance of stormtroopers suggests that the "regular" troops are very bad indeed.
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      Kenobi thinks the Stormtroopers are good shots because he is remembering the high-quality clones from his younger days, who took out Jedi. Clone quality declined in the mean time. By E6 we see Stormtroopers getting beaten by living teddy bears. Later clones couldn't dress themselves without shooting a squad mate by accident, and the First Order declined to extend the contract with Kamino.
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    While not disagreeing with the other answers, another point is:




    Because lightsaber duels are the stuff of legend




    Back twenty years ago when there were actual Jedi, an exceptionally lucky person might have got to see a Jedi from afar once every few years, and see them fight maybe once in a lifetime. Anyone who saw such a thing would have told stories of it, and dined out on the anecdote for years. Now Vader is pretty much the only lightsaber user, and there hasn't been a lightsaber duel anywhere in years. They have passed from 'something you might see if you were very lucky' to 'something that nobody has ever seen in our lifetime', or even 'that thing my uncle's friend told me his father saw once that I'm not sure I actually believe'. To actually see one would be by far the most exciting and interesting thing that has ever happened to these stormtroopers, or anyone they know.






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      Though whether Darth Vader actually held rank in the Imperial military was unclear, he is still at the very least a VIP aboard the Death Star. The stormtroopers choosing to provide such an important figure with backup when he is engaged in combat with an unknown foe is perfectly reasonable.



      In addition, the stormtroopers aboard the Death Star were specifically instructed to allow the Millennium Falcon to escape after the tracking device was installed so that they could be tracked to the location of the rebel base. Leaving their posts to provide aid to Darth Vader is a perfect excuse to do so.






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        Yes - Why also were the tie fighters not effective on the escaping Millennium Falcon? Why not more of them? Why also did the stormtroopers famously miss all the time? I know this is not a discussions page - but the theory that they were ordered to do so to ease the hero's intended escape with the tracker onboard intrigues me...
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        Also Vader's position in ep 4 v's ep 5 is hazy - in ep4 it appears he was not intended to be the emperor's right hand man, but rather immediately under Tarkin in rank, but this changed when ep5 was conceived. All else is retcon.
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        @Andrew In ep 4, Vader accepts Tarkin’s command within Tarkin’s jurisdiction. But still, it’s Vader who got informed that the Emperor dissolved the Senate. So this does not preclude Vader being the Emperor’s right hand being sent out to “help” the generals on missions (like capturing Leia and finding the rebel base) still being performed under the responsibility of the generals while Vader could send an alternative report to the Emperor (and kill all of them if the Emperor commands it).
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        @Holger - no, but remember that star wars Ep 4 was a stand-alone film with no sequels planned at the time of filming - Most of these details that are regarded as lore now were not planned when Ep 4 was filmed (Leia being Luke's sister, Vader being Luke's father, just a couple of examples) contrary to what G.Lucus might sometimes claim, he had no expectation of further films in the series prior to release of the original - but we are in danger of turning this into the discussion thread it shouldn't be.
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        The second paragraph is more convincing. Any halfway decent military force isn't going to have soldiers individually deciding to abandon their posts whenever they decide they might be useful somewhere else. In addition, they didn't actually do anything once they got there, and in a fight between two of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy, they would have mostly just gotten in the way if they had tried.
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      Though whether Darth Vader actually held rank in the Imperial military was unclear, he is still at the very least a VIP aboard the Death Star. The stormtroopers choosing to provide such an important figure with backup when he is engaged in combat with an unknown foe is perfectly reasonable.



      In addition, the stormtroopers aboard the Death Star were specifically instructed to allow the Millennium Falcon to escape after the tracking device was installed so that they could be tracked to the location of the rebel base. Leaving their posts to provide aid to Darth Vader is a perfect excuse to do so.






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        Yes - Why also were the tie fighters not effective on the escaping Millennium Falcon? Why not more of them? Why also did the stormtroopers famously miss all the time? I know this is not a discussions page - but the theory that they were ordered to do so to ease the hero's intended escape with the tracker onboard intrigues me...
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        Also Vader's position in ep 4 v's ep 5 is hazy - in ep4 it appears he was not intended to be the emperor's right hand man, but rather immediately under Tarkin in rank, but this changed when ep5 was conceived. All else is retcon.
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        @Andrew In ep 4, Vader accepts Tarkin’s command within Tarkin’s jurisdiction. But still, it’s Vader who got informed that the Emperor dissolved the Senate. So this does not preclude Vader being the Emperor’s right hand being sent out to “help” the generals on missions (like capturing Leia and finding the rebel base) still being performed under the responsibility of the generals while Vader could send an alternative report to the Emperor (and kill all of them if the Emperor commands it).
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        @Holger - no, but remember that star wars Ep 4 was a stand-alone film with no sequels planned at the time of filming - Most of these details that are regarded as lore now were not planned when Ep 4 was filmed (Leia being Luke's sister, Vader being Luke's father, just a couple of examples) contrary to what G.Lucus might sometimes claim, he had no expectation of further films in the series prior to release of the original - but we are in danger of turning this into the discussion thread it shouldn't be.
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        The second paragraph is more convincing. Any halfway decent military force isn't going to have soldiers individually deciding to abandon their posts whenever they decide they might be useful somewhere else. In addition, they didn't actually do anything once they got there, and in a fight between two of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy, they would have mostly just gotten in the way if they had tried.
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      Though whether Darth Vader actually held rank in the Imperial military was unclear, he is still at the very least a VIP aboard the Death Star. The stormtroopers choosing to provide such an important figure with backup when he is engaged in combat with an unknown foe is perfectly reasonable.



      In addition, the stormtroopers aboard the Death Star were specifically instructed to allow the Millennium Falcon to escape after the tracking device was installed so that they could be tracked to the location of the rebel base. Leaving their posts to provide aid to Darth Vader is a perfect excuse to do so.






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      Though whether Darth Vader actually held rank in the Imperial military was unclear, he is still at the very least a VIP aboard the Death Star. The stormtroopers choosing to provide such an important figure with backup when he is engaged in combat with an unknown foe is perfectly reasonable.



      In addition, the stormtroopers aboard the Death Star were specifically instructed to allow the Millennium Falcon to escape after the tracking device was installed so that they could be tracked to the location of the rebel base. Leaving their posts to provide aid to Darth Vader is a perfect excuse to do so.







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        Yes - Why also were the tie fighters not effective on the escaping Millennium Falcon? Why not more of them? Why also did the stormtroopers famously miss all the time? I know this is not a discussions page - but the theory that they were ordered to do so to ease the hero's intended escape with the tracker onboard intrigues me...
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        Also Vader's position in ep 4 v's ep 5 is hazy - in ep4 it appears he was not intended to be the emperor's right hand man, but rather immediately under Tarkin in rank, but this changed when ep5 was conceived. All else is retcon.
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        @Andrew In ep 4, Vader accepts Tarkin’s command within Tarkin’s jurisdiction. But still, it’s Vader who got informed that the Emperor dissolved the Senate. So this does not preclude Vader being the Emperor’s right hand being sent out to “help” the generals on missions (like capturing Leia and finding the rebel base) still being performed under the responsibility of the generals while Vader could send an alternative report to the Emperor (and kill all of them if the Emperor commands it).
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        @Holger - no, but remember that star wars Ep 4 was a stand-alone film with no sequels planned at the time of filming - Most of these details that are regarded as lore now were not planned when Ep 4 was filmed (Leia being Luke's sister, Vader being Luke's father, just a couple of examples) contrary to what G.Lucus might sometimes claim, he had no expectation of further films in the series prior to release of the original - but we are in danger of turning this into the discussion thread it shouldn't be.
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        The second paragraph is more convincing. Any halfway decent military force isn't going to have soldiers individually deciding to abandon their posts whenever they decide they might be useful somewhere else. In addition, they didn't actually do anything once they got there, and in a fight between two of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy, they would have mostly just gotten in the way if they had tried.
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        Yes - Why also were the tie fighters not effective on the escaping Millennium Falcon? Why not more of them? Why also did the stormtroopers famously miss all the time? I know this is not a discussions page - but the theory that they were ordered to do so to ease the hero's intended escape with the tracker onboard intrigues me...
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        Also Vader's position in ep 4 v's ep 5 is hazy - in ep4 it appears he was not intended to be the emperor's right hand man, but rather immediately under Tarkin in rank, but this changed when ep5 was conceived. All else is retcon.
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        @Andrew In ep 4, Vader accepts Tarkin’s command within Tarkin’s jurisdiction. But still, it’s Vader who got informed that the Emperor dissolved the Senate. So this does not preclude Vader being the Emperor’s right hand being sent out to “help” the generals on missions (like capturing Leia and finding the rebel base) still being performed under the responsibility of the generals while Vader could send an alternative report to the Emperor (and kill all of them if the Emperor commands it).
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        @Holger - no, but remember that star wars Ep 4 was a stand-alone film with no sequels planned at the time of filming - Most of these details that are regarded as lore now were not planned when Ep 4 was filmed (Leia being Luke's sister, Vader being Luke's father, just a couple of examples) contrary to what G.Lucus might sometimes claim, he had no expectation of further films in the series prior to release of the original - but we are in danger of turning this into the discussion thread it shouldn't be.
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        The second paragraph is more convincing. Any halfway decent military force isn't going to have soldiers individually deciding to abandon their posts whenever they decide they might be useful somewhere else. In addition, they didn't actually do anything once they got there, and in a fight between two of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy, they would have mostly just gotten in the way if they had tried.
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      Yes - Why also were the tie fighters not effective on the escaping Millennium Falcon? Why not more of them? Why also did the stormtroopers famously miss all the time? I know this is not a discussions page - but the theory that they were ordered to do so to ease the hero's intended escape with the tracker onboard intrigues me...
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      Also Vader's position in ep 4 v's ep 5 is hazy - in ep4 it appears he was not intended to be the emperor's right hand man, but rather immediately under Tarkin in rank, but this changed when ep5 was conceived. All else is retcon.
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      @Andrew In ep 4, Vader accepts Tarkin’s command within Tarkin’s jurisdiction. But still, it’s Vader who got informed that the Emperor dissolved the Senate. So this does not preclude Vader being the Emperor’s right hand being sent out to “help” the generals on missions (like capturing Leia and finding the rebel base) still being performed under the responsibility of the generals while Vader could send an alternative report to the Emperor (and kill all of them if the Emperor commands it).
      – Holger
      2 days ago






      @Andrew In ep 4, Vader accepts Tarkin’s command within Tarkin’s jurisdiction. But still, it’s Vader who got informed that the Emperor dissolved the Senate. So this does not preclude Vader being the Emperor’s right hand being sent out to “help” the generals on missions (like capturing Leia and finding the rebel base) still being performed under the responsibility of the generals while Vader could send an alternative report to the Emperor (and kill all of them if the Emperor commands it).
      – Holger
      2 days ago






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      @Holger - no, but remember that star wars Ep 4 was a stand-alone film with no sequels planned at the time of filming - Most of these details that are regarded as lore now were not planned when Ep 4 was filmed (Leia being Luke's sister, Vader being Luke's father, just a couple of examples) contrary to what G.Lucus might sometimes claim, he had no expectation of further films in the series prior to release of the original - but we are in danger of turning this into the discussion thread it shouldn't be.
      – Andrew
      yesterday




      @Holger - no, but remember that star wars Ep 4 was a stand-alone film with no sequels planned at the time of filming - Most of these details that are regarded as lore now were not planned when Ep 4 was filmed (Leia being Luke's sister, Vader being Luke's father, just a couple of examples) contrary to what G.Lucus might sometimes claim, he had no expectation of further films in the series prior to release of the original - but we are in danger of turning this into the discussion thread it shouldn't be.
      – Andrew
      yesterday




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      The second paragraph is more convincing. Any halfway decent military force isn't going to have soldiers individually deciding to abandon their posts whenever they decide they might be useful somewhere else. In addition, they didn't actually do anything once they got there, and in a fight between two of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy, they would have mostly just gotten in the way if they had tried.
      – Acccumulation
      yesterday




      The second paragraph is more convincing. Any halfway decent military force isn't going to have soldiers individually deciding to abandon their posts whenever they decide they might be useful somewhere else. In addition, they didn't actually do anything once they got there, and in a fight between two of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy, they would have mostly just gotten in the way if they had tried.
      – Acccumulation
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      According to the film's original novelisation (written by Alan Dean Foster George Lucas himself), the guards were originally attracted to observe the fight, then moved into position to help Vader.




      Illuminated by the flare from contacting energy fields, Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader were backing toward the bay. The fight attracted the attention of others beside the Senator. Every one of the guards moved in for a better view of the Olympian conflict.



      “Now’s our chance,” Solo observed, starting forward.



      All seven of the troopers guarding the ship broke and rushed toward the combatants, going to the Dark Lord’s aid. Threepio barely ducked aside as they ran past him. Turning back into the alcove, he yelled to his companion.



      A New Hope: Official Novelisation




      This tallies nicely with the film's script




      Vader and Ben Kenobi continue their powerful duel. As they hit their lightsabers together, lightning flashes on impact. Troopers look on in interest as the old Jedi and Dark Lord of The Sith fight. Suddenly Luke spots the battle from his group's vantage point.



      ...



      Threepio ducks out of sight as the seven stormtroopers who were
      guarding the starship rush past them heading towards Ben and The Sith
      Knight.
      He pulls on Artoo.



      ...



      They start for the Millennium Falcon. Ben sees the troops charging toward him and realizes that he is trapped. Vader takes advantage of Ben's momentary distraction and brings his mighty lightsaber down on the old man. Ben manages to deflect the blow and swiftly turns around.



      A New Hope: Script







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        According to the film's original novelisation (written by Alan Dean Foster George Lucas himself), the guards were originally attracted to observe the fight, then moved into position to help Vader.




        Illuminated by the flare from contacting energy fields, Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader were backing toward the bay. The fight attracted the attention of others beside the Senator. Every one of the guards moved in for a better view of the Olympian conflict.



        “Now’s our chance,” Solo observed, starting forward.



        All seven of the troopers guarding the ship broke and rushed toward the combatants, going to the Dark Lord’s aid. Threepio barely ducked aside as they ran past him. Turning back into the alcove, he yelled to his companion.



        A New Hope: Official Novelisation




        This tallies nicely with the film's script




        Vader and Ben Kenobi continue their powerful duel. As they hit their lightsabers together, lightning flashes on impact. Troopers look on in interest as the old Jedi and Dark Lord of The Sith fight. Suddenly Luke spots the battle from his group's vantage point.



        ...



        Threepio ducks out of sight as the seven stormtroopers who were
        guarding the starship rush past them heading towards Ben and The Sith
        Knight.
        He pulls on Artoo.



        ...



        They start for the Millennium Falcon. Ben sees the troops charging toward him and realizes that he is trapped. Vader takes advantage of Ben's momentary distraction and brings his mighty lightsaber down on the old man. Ben manages to deflect the blow and swiftly turns around.



        A New Hope: Script







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          According to the film's original novelisation (written by Alan Dean Foster George Lucas himself), the guards were originally attracted to observe the fight, then moved into position to help Vader.




          Illuminated by the flare from contacting energy fields, Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader were backing toward the bay. The fight attracted the attention of others beside the Senator. Every one of the guards moved in for a better view of the Olympian conflict.



          “Now’s our chance,” Solo observed, starting forward.



          All seven of the troopers guarding the ship broke and rushed toward the combatants, going to the Dark Lord’s aid. Threepio barely ducked aside as they ran past him. Turning back into the alcove, he yelled to his companion.



          A New Hope: Official Novelisation




          This tallies nicely with the film's script




          Vader and Ben Kenobi continue their powerful duel. As they hit their lightsabers together, lightning flashes on impact. Troopers look on in interest as the old Jedi and Dark Lord of The Sith fight. Suddenly Luke spots the battle from his group's vantage point.



          ...



          Threepio ducks out of sight as the seven stormtroopers who were
          guarding the starship rush past them heading towards Ben and The Sith
          Knight.
          He pulls on Artoo.



          ...



          They start for the Millennium Falcon. Ben sees the troops charging toward him and realizes that he is trapped. Vader takes advantage of Ben's momentary distraction and brings his mighty lightsaber down on the old man. Ben manages to deflect the blow and swiftly turns around.



          A New Hope: Script







          share|improve this answer














          According to the film's original novelisation (written by Alan Dean Foster George Lucas himself), the guards were originally attracted to observe the fight, then moved into position to help Vader.




          Illuminated by the flare from contacting energy fields, Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader were backing toward the bay. The fight attracted the attention of others beside the Senator. Every one of the guards moved in for a better view of the Olympian conflict.



          “Now’s our chance,” Solo observed, starting forward.



          All seven of the troopers guarding the ship broke and rushed toward the combatants, going to the Dark Lord’s aid. Threepio barely ducked aside as they ran past him. Turning back into the alcove, he yelled to his companion.



          A New Hope: Official Novelisation




          This tallies nicely with the film's script




          Vader and Ben Kenobi continue their powerful duel. As they hit their lightsabers together, lightning flashes on impact. Troopers look on in interest as the old Jedi and Dark Lord of The Sith fight. Suddenly Luke spots the battle from his group's vantage point.



          ...



          Threepio ducks out of sight as the seven stormtroopers who were
          guarding the starship rush past them heading towards Ben and The Sith
          Knight.
          He pulls on Artoo.



          ...



          They start for the Millennium Falcon. Ben sees the troops charging toward him and realizes that he is trapped. Vader takes advantage of Ben's momentary distraction and brings his mighty lightsaber down on the old man. Ben manages to deflect the blow and swiftly turns around.



          A New Hope: Script








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              Stormtroopers act like professionals? What fictional universe do you inhabit? Certainly not the "Star Wars" universe. Let's go right back to the very first episode. As Obi-Wan remarks, "The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."



              Stormtroopers are naturally weak-minded, so of course they act unprofessionally, even without nudging from the Force. As the saying goes, "I can do stupid all on my own." The first episode demonstrates that they can't even shoot straight, so there's no particular reason to think they can anything else right - at least, not if such failure advances the plot.



              EDIT - I think I should expand on my last point.



              First, we need to step out of canon. The first Star Wars was clearly intended as essentially a comic book come to life. Harrison Ford's classic, "George! You can type this shit, but you sure can't say it!" does rather describe the dialog. And George Lucas wanted what he wanted from the visuals - and he got it. This was fine until folks started taking it seriously and attempting to incorporate the movie into a "real" (whatever that means) world.



              So let's take the Stormtroopers at face value. How are they as soldiers?



              1) They wear armor which does not seem to actually work. I've not watched the original in quite a while, but I do not recall ever seeing a stormtrooper's armor deflecting a shot. If they get hit, they go down. Also, just as a nitpick, you might notice that nobody ever gets hit in the arms, legs, or head. What are the odds?



              2) They carry "laser" weapons with optical sights - and they never use the sights. It's all shoot from the hip, and with terrible accuracy. Green beams flying all over the place and the occasional casualty. Any US Marine today would be ashamed to do it that way. The only reason they don't get slaughtered is that the rebels are just as incompetent.



              3) While #2 might possibly be excused for close-in shootouts, where close range and stress can cause people to do all sorts of funny stuff, the same does not apply, for instance, to the escape of the Millennial Falcon. Here, the troopers are relatively far from the ship and only Han Solo is providing covering fire. He should have been chopped about 3 seconds after the shooting started.



              (Stepping out of canon for a moment, all of this is necessary to advance the plot, while looking good at the same time. Shootouts with laser beams all over the place, heroic covering fire, etc. Pity it doesn't make any sense.)



              So, what have we got? Soldiers who are burdened by inappropriate equipment, and who are incapable of hitting exposed targets at close range and/or completely exposed. In other words, amateurs. And these are supposed to be elite troops?



              Well, yes. Yes they are. And since they are supposed to be elite, they ARE elite - the movies and novelizations say they are.



              There is an old saying about movies: "Show, don't tell." And what the movies show are a bunch of wankers. Apparently the rest of the Star Wars universe is made up of even worse troops, so they are elite wankers, but wankers nonetheless.






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                Less convincing than Kyle abd Valorum answers
                – nicolallias
                yesterday






              • 2




                If stormtroopers are really just "a long time ago"'s version of the Keystone Kops, why would the Empire keep thme around - Vader has a rep for killing people whose work performance is subpar in his opinion.
                – RDFozz
                yesterday






              • 2




                Kenobi's comment on the destroyed sand crawler suggests that Imperial storm troopers are elite, although it's possible that the lesser intellects got garrison duty.
                – David Thornley
                yesterday






              • 3




                @DavidThornley - "Elite" does not make any absolute statement about competence. It only establishes the elite unit as the best of the available, and widely regarded as such. The on-screen performance of stormtroopers suggests that the "regular" troops are very bad indeed.
                – WhatRoughBeast
                yesterday






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                Kenobi thinks the Stormtroopers are good shots because he is remembering the high-quality clones from his younger days, who took out Jedi. Clone quality declined in the mean time. By E6 we see Stormtroopers getting beaten by living teddy bears. Later clones couldn't dress themselves without shooting a squad mate by accident, and the First Order declined to extend the contract with Kamino.
                – EvilSnack
                yesterday
















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              Stormtroopers act like professionals? What fictional universe do you inhabit? Certainly not the "Star Wars" universe. Let's go right back to the very first episode. As Obi-Wan remarks, "The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."



              Stormtroopers are naturally weak-minded, so of course they act unprofessionally, even without nudging from the Force. As the saying goes, "I can do stupid all on my own." The first episode demonstrates that they can't even shoot straight, so there's no particular reason to think they can anything else right - at least, not if such failure advances the plot.



              EDIT - I think I should expand on my last point.



              First, we need to step out of canon. The first Star Wars was clearly intended as essentially a comic book come to life. Harrison Ford's classic, "George! You can type this shit, but you sure can't say it!" does rather describe the dialog. And George Lucas wanted what he wanted from the visuals - and he got it. This was fine until folks started taking it seriously and attempting to incorporate the movie into a "real" (whatever that means) world.



              So let's take the Stormtroopers at face value. How are they as soldiers?



              1) They wear armor which does not seem to actually work. I've not watched the original in quite a while, but I do not recall ever seeing a stormtrooper's armor deflecting a shot. If they get hit, they go down. Also, just as a nitpick, you might notice that nobody ever gets hit in the arms, legs, or head. What are the odds?



              2) They carry "laser" weapons with optical sights - and they never use the sights. It's all shoot from the hip, and with terrible accuracy. Green beams flying all over the place and the occasional casualty. Any US Marine today would be ashamed to do it that way. The only reason they don't get slaughtered is that the rebels are just as incompetent.



              3) While #2 might possibly be excused for close-in shootouts, where close range and stress can cause people to do all sorts of funny stuff, the same does not apply, for instance, to the escape of the Millennial Falcon. Here, the troopers are relatively far from the ship and only Han Solo is providing covering fire. He should have been chopped about 3 seconds after the shooting started.



              (Stepping out of canon for a moment, all of this is necessary to advance the plot, while looking good at the same time. Shootouts with laser beams all over the place, heroic covering fire, etc. Pity it doesn't make any sense.)



              So, what have we got? Soldiers who are burdened by inappropriate equipment, and who are incapable of hitting exposed targets at close range and/or completely exposed. In other words, amateurs. And these are supposed to be elite troops?



              Well, yes. Yes they are. And since they are supposed to be elite, they ARE elite - the movies and novelizations say they are.



              There is an old saying about movies: "Show, don't tell." And what the movies show are a bunch of wankers. Apparently the rest of the Star Wars universe is made up of even worse troops, so they are elite wankers, but wankers nonetheless.






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              • 5




                Less convincing than Kyle abd Valorum answers
                – nicolallias
                yesterday






              • 2




                If stormtroopers are really just "a long time ago"'s version of the Keystone Kops, why would the Empire keep thme around - Vader has a rep for killing people whose work performance is subpar in his opinion.
                – RDFozz
                yesterday






              • 2




                Kenobi's comment on the destroyed sand crawler suggests that Imperial storm troopers are elite, although it's possible that the lesser intellects got garrison duty.
                – David Thornley
                yesterday






              • 3




                @DavidThornley - "Elite" does not make any absolute statement about competence. It only establishes the elite unit as the best of the available, and widely regarded as such. The on-screen performance of stormtroopers suggests that the "regular" troops are very bad indeed.
                – WhatRoughBeast
                yesterday






              • 5




                Kenobi thinks the Stormtroopers are good shots because he is remembering the high-quality clones from his younger days, who took out Jedi. Clone quality declined in the mean time. By E6 we see Stormtroopers getting beaten by living teddy bears. Later clones couldn't dress themselves without shooting a squad mate by accident, and the First Order declined to extend the contract with Kamino.
                – EvilSnack
                yesterday














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              Stormtroopers act like professionals? What fictional universe do you inhabit? Certainly not the "Star Wars" universe. Let's go right back to the very first episode. As Obi-Wan remarks, "The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."



              Stormtroopers are naturally weak-minded, so of course they act unprofessionally, even without nudging from the Force. As the saying goes, "I can do stupid all on my own." The first episode demonstrates that they can't even shoot straight, so there's no particular reason to think they can anything else right - at least, not if such failure advances the plot.



              EDIT - I think I should expand on my last point.



              First, we need to step out of canon. The first Star Wars was clearly intended as essentially a comic book come to life. Harrison Ford's classic, "George! You can type this shit, but you sure can't say it!" does rather describe the dialog. And George Lucas wanted what he wanted from the visuals - and he got it. This was fine until folks started taking it seriously and attempting to incorporate the movie into a "real" (whatever that means) world.



              So let's take the Stormtroopers at face value. How are they as soldiers?



              1) They wear armor which does not seem to actually work. I've not watched the original in quite a while, but I do not recall ever seeing a stormtrooper's armor deflecting a shot. If they get hit, they go down. Also, just as a nitpick, you might notice that nobody ever gets hit in the arms, legs, or head. What are the odds?



              2) They carry "laser" weapons with optical sights - and they never use the sights. It's all shoot from the hip, and with terrible accuracy. Green beams flying all over the place and the occasional casualty. Any US Marine today would be ashamed to do it that way. The only reason they don't get slaughtered is that the rebels are just as incompetent.



              3) While #2 might possibly be excused for close-in shootouts, where close range and stress can cause people to do all sorts of funny stuff, the same does not apply, for instance, to the escape of the Millennial Falcon. Here, the troopers are relatively far from the ship and only Han Solo is providing covering fire. He should have been chopped about 3 seconds after the shooting started.



              (Stepping out of canon for a moment, all of this is necessary to advance the plot, while looking good at the same time. Shootouts with laser beams all over the place, heroic covering fire, etc. Pity it doesn't make any sense.)



              So, what have we got? Soldiers who are burdened by inappropriate equipment, and who are incapable of hitting exposed targets at close range and/or completely exposed. In other words, amateurs. And these are supposed to be elite troops?



              Well, yes. Yes they are. And since they are supposed to be elite, they ARE elite - the movies and novelizations say they are.



              There is an old saying about movies: "Show, don't tell." And what the movies show are a bunch of wankers. Apparently the rest of the Star Wars universe is made up of even worse troops, so they are elite wankers, but wankers nonetheless.






              share|improve this answer














              Stormtroopers act like professionals? What fictional universe do you inhabit? Certainly not the "Star Wars" universe. Let's go right back to the very first episode. As Obi-Wan remarks, "The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."



              Stormtroopers are naturally weak-minded, so of course they act unprofessionally, even without nudging from the Force. As the saying goes, "I can do stupid all on my own." The first episode demonstrates that they can't even shoot straight, so there's no particular reason to think they can anything else right - at least, not if such failure advances the plot.



              EDIT - I think I should expand on my last point.



              First, we need to step out of canon. The first Star Wars was clearly intended as essentially a comic book come to life. Harrison Ford's classic, "George! You can type this shit, but you sure can't say it!" does rather describe the dialog. And George Lucas wanted what he wanted from the visuals - and he got it. This was fine until folks started taking it seriously and attempting to incorporate the movie into a "real" (whatever that means) world.



              So let's take the Stormtroopers at face value. How are they as soldiers?



              1) They wear armor which does not seem to actually work. I've not watched the original in quite a while, but I do not recall ever seeing a stormtrooper's armor deflecting a shot. If they get hit, they go down. Also, just as a nitpick, you might notice that nobody ever gets hit in the arms, legs, or head. What are the odds?



              2) They carry "laser" weapons with optical sights - and they never use the sights. It's all shoot from the hip, and with terrible accuracy. Green beams flying all over the place and the occasional casualty. Any US Marine today would be ashamed to do it that way. The only reason they don't get slaughtered is that the rebels are just as incompetent.



              3) While #2 might possibly be excused for close-in shootouts, where close range and stress can cause people to do all sorts of funny stuff, the same does not apply, for instance, to the escape of the Millennial Falcon. Here, the troopers are relatively far from the ship and only Han Solo is providing covering fire. He should have been chopped about 3 seconds after the shooting started.



              (Stepping out of canon for a moment, all of this is necessary to advance the plot, while looking good at the same time. Shootouts with laser beams all over the place, heroic covering fire, etc. Pity it doesn't make any sense.)



              So, what have we got? Soldiers who are burdened by inappropriate equipment, and who are incapable of hitting exposed targets at close range and/or completely exposed. In other words, amateurs. And these are supposed to be elite troops?



              Well, yes. Yes they are. And since they are supposed to be elite, they ARE elite - the movies and novelizations say they are.



              There is an old saying about movies: "Show, don't tell." And what the movies show are a bunch of wankers. Apparently the rest of the Star Wars universe is made up of even worse troops, so they are elite wankers, but wankers nonetheless.







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              • 5




                Less convincing than Kyle abd Valorum answers
                – nicolallias
                yesterday






              • 2




                If stormtroopers are really just "a long time ago"'s version of the Keystone Kops, why would the Empire keep thme around - Vader has a rep for killing people whose work performance is subpar in his opinion.
                – RDFozz
                yesterday






              • 2




                Kenobi's comment on the destroyed sand crawler suggests that Imperial storm troopers are elite, although it's possible that the lesser intellects got garrison duty.
                – David Thornley
                yesterday






              • 3




                @DavidThornley - "Elite" does not make any absolute statement about competence. It only establishes the elite unit as the best of the available, and widely regarded as such. The on-screen performance of stormtroopers suggests that the "regular" troops are very bad indeed.
                – WhatRoughBeast
                yesterday






              • 5




                Kenobi thinks the Stormtroopers are good shots because he is remembering the high-quality clones from his younger days, who took out Jedi. Clone quality declined in the mean time. By E6 we see Stormtroopers getting beaten by living teddy bears. Later clones couldn't dress themselves without shooting a squad mate by accident, and the First Order declined to extend the contract with Kamino.
                – EvilSnack
                yesterday














              • 5




                Less convincing than Kyle abd Valorum answers
                – nicolallias
                yesterday






              • 2




                If stormtroopers are really just "a long time ago"'s version of the Keystone Kops, why would the Empire keep thme around - Vader has a rep for killing people whose work performance is subpar in his opinion.
                – RDFozz
                yesterday






              • 2




                Kenobi's comment on the destroyed sand crawler suggests that Imperial storm troopers are elite, although it's possible that the lesser intellects got garrison duty.
                – David Thornley
                yesterday






              • 3




                @DavidThornley - "Elite" does not make any absolute statement about competence. It only establishes the elite unit as the best of the available, and widely regarded as such. The on-screen performance of stormtroopers suggests that the "regular" troops are very bad indeed.
                – WhatRoughBeast
                yesterday






              • 5




                Kenobi thinks the Stormtroopers are good shots because he is remembering the high-quality clones from his younger days, who took out Jedi. Clone quality declined in the mean time. By E6 we see Stormtroopers getting beaten by living teddy bears. Later clones couldn't dress themselves without shooting a squad mate by accident, and the First Order declined to extend the contract with Kamino.
                – EvilSnack
                yesterday








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              Less convincing than Kyle abd Valorum answers
              – nicolallias
              yesterday




              Less convincing than Kyle abd Valorum answers
              – nicolallias
              yesterday




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              2




              If stormtroopers are really just "a long time ago"'s version of the Keystone Kops, why would the Empire keep thme around - Vader has a rep for killing people whose work performance is subpar in his opinion.
              – RDFozz
              yesterday




              If stormtroopers are really just "a long time ago"'s version of the Keystone Kops, why would the Empire keep thme around - Vader has a rep for killing people whose work performance is subpar in his opinion.
              – RDFozz
              yesterday




              2




              2




              Kenobi's comment on the destroyed sand crawler suggests that Imperial storm troopers are elite, although it's possible that the lesser intellects got garrison duty.
              – David Thornley
              yesterday




              Kenobi's comment on the destroyed sand crawler suggests that Imperial storm troopers are elite, although it's possible that the lesser intellects got garrison duty.
              – David Thornley
              yesterday




              3




              3




              @DavidThornley - "Elite" does not make any absolute statement about competence. It only establishes the elite unit as the best of the available, and widely regarded as such. The on-screen performance of stormtroopers suggests that the "regular" troops are very bad indeed.
              – WhatRoughBeast
              yesterday




              @DavidThornley - "Elite" does not make any absolute statement about competence. It only establishes the elite unit as the best of the available, and widely regarded as such. The on-screen performance of stormtroopers suggests that the "regular" troops are very bad indeed.
              – WhatRoughBeast
              yesterday




              5




              5




              Kenobi thinks the Stormtroopers are good shots because he is remembering the high-quality clones from his younger days, who took out Jedi. Clone quality declined in the mean time. By E6 we see Stormtroopers getting beaten by living teddy bears. Later clones couldn't dress themselves without shooting a squad mate by accident, and the First Order declined to extend the contract with Kamino.
              – EvilSnack
              yesterday




              Kenobi thinks the Stormtroopers are good shots because he is remembering the high-quality clones from his younger days, who took out Jedi. Clone quality declined in the mean time. By E6 we see Stormtroopers getting beaten by living teddy bears. Later clones couldn't dress themselves without shooting a squad mate by accident, and the First Order declined to extend the contract with Kamino.
              – EvilSnack
              yesterday











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              While not disagreeing with the other answers, another point is:




              Because lightsaber duels are the stuff of legend




              Back twenty years ago when there were actual Jedi, an exceptionally lucky person might have got to see a Jedi from afar once every few years, and see them fight maybe once in a lifetime. Anyone who saw such a thing would have told stories of it, and dined out on the anecdote for years. Now Vader is pretty much the only lightsaber user, and there hasn't been a lightsaber duel anywhere in years. They have passed from 'something you might see if you were very lucky' to 'something that nobody has ever seen in our lifetime', or even 'that thing my uncle's friend told me his father saw once that I'm not sure I actually believe'. To actually see one would be by far the most exciting and interesting thing that has ever happened to these stormtroopers, or anyone they know.






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                While not disagreeing with the other answers, another point is:




                Because lightsaber duels are the stuff of legend




                Back twenty years ago when there were actual Jedi, an exceptionally lucky person might have got to see a Jedi from afar once every few years, and see them fight maybe once in a lifetime. Anyone who saw such a thing would have told stories of it, and dined out on the anecdote for years. Now Vader is pretty much the only lightsaber user, and there hasn't been a lightsaber duel anywhere in years. They have passed from 'something you might see if you were very lucky' to 'something that nobody has ever seen in our lifetime', or even 'that thing my uncle's friend told me his father saw once that I'm not sure I actually believe'. To actually see one would be by far the most exciting and interesting thing that has ever happened to these stormtroopers, or anyone they know.






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                  While not disagreeing with the other answers, another point is:




                  Because lightsaber duels are the stuff of legend




                  Back twenty years ago when there were actual Jedi, an exceptionally lucky person might have got to see a Jedi from afar once every few years, and see them fight maybe once in a lifetime. Anyone who saw such a thing would have told stories of it, and dined out on the anecdote for years. Now Vader is pretty much the only lightsaber user, and there hasn't been a lightsaber duel anywhere in years. They have passed from 'something you might see if you were very lucky' to 'something that nobody has ever seen in our lifetime', or even 'that thing my uncle's friend told me his father saw once that I'm not sure I actually believe'. To actually see one would be by far the most exciting and interesting thing that has ever happened to these stormtroopers, or anyone they know.






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                  While not disagreeing with the other answers, another point is:




                  Because lightsaber duels are the stuff of legend




                  Back twenty years ago when there were actual Jedi, an exceptionally lucky person might have got to see a Jedi from afar once every few years, and see them fight maybe once in a lifetime. Anyone who saw such a thing would have told stories of it, and dined out on the anecdote for years. Now Vader is pretty much the only lightsaber user, and there hasn't been a lightsaber duel anywhere in years. They have passed from 'something you might see if you were very lucky' to 'something that nobody has ever seen in our lifetime', or even 'that thing my uncle's friend told me his father saw once that I'm not sure I actually believe'. To actually see one would be by far the most exciting and interesting thing that has ever happened to these stormtroopers, or anyone they know.







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