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"If $3$ students are chosen at random from a class with $6$ girls and $4$ boys, what is the probability that all $3$ students chosen will be girls?"



$left(dfrac{6}{10}right)left(dfrac{5}{9}right)left(dfrac{4}{8}right)$




So why can't we use that logic to answer this question?



"A bag holds $4$ red marbles, $5$ blue marbles, and $2$ green marbles. If $5$ marbles are selected one after another without replacement, what is the probability of drawing $2$ red marbles, $2$ blue marbles, and $1$ green marble?"



My answer: $left(dfrac{4}{11}right)left(dfrac{3}{10}right)left(dfrac{5}{9}right)left(dfrac{4}{8}right)left(dfrac{2}{7}right)$



But the correct answer is $dfrac{(_4C_2) cdot (_5C_2) cdot (_2C_1)}{_{11}C_5}$ (where $C$ is a combination).



Why doesn't the logic from the first problem work here?



The draws are without replacement in all cases.










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    Is the drawing with/without replacement in both cases?
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    @NoChance: without replacement for both cases.
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"If $3$ students are chosen at random from a class with $6$ girls and $4$ boys, what is the probability that all $3$ students chosen will be girls?"



$left(dfrac{6}{10}right)left(dfrac{5}{9}right)left(dfrac{4}{8}right)$




So why can't we use that logic to answer this question?



"A bag holds $4$ red marbles, $5$ blue marbles, and $2$ green marbles. If $5$ marbles are selected one after another without replacement, what is the probability of drawing $2$ red marbles, $2$ blue marbles, and $1$ green marble?"



My answer: $left(dfrac{4}{11}right)left(dfrac{3}{10}right)left(dfrac{5}{9}right)left(dfrac{4}{8}right)left(dfrac{2}{7}right)$



But the correct answer is $dfrac{(_4C_2) cdot (_5C_2) cdot (_2C_1)}{_{11}C_5}$ (where $C$ is a combination).



Why doesn't the logic from the first problem work here?



The draws are without replacement in all cases.










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    Is the drawing with/without replacement in both cases?
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    @NoChance: without replacement for both cases.
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"If $3$ students are chosen at random from a class with $6$ girls and $4$ boys, what is the probability that all $3$ students chosen will be girls?"



$left(dfrac{6}{10}right)left(dfrac{5}{9}right)left(dfrac{4}{8}right)$




So why can't we use that logic to answer this question?



"A bag holds $4$ red marbles, $5$ blue marbles, and $2$ green marbles. If $5$ marbles are selected one after another without replacement, what is the probability of drawing $2$ red marbles, $2$ blue marbles, and $1$ green marble?"



My answer: $left(dfrac{4}{11}right)left(dfrac{3}{10}right)left(dfrac{5}{9}right)left(dfrac{4}{8}right)left(dfrac{2}{7}right)$



But the correct answer is $dfrac{(_4C_2) cdot (_5C_2) cdot (_2C_1)}{_{11}C_5}$ (where $C$ is a combination).



Why doesn't the logic from the first problem work here?



The draws are without replacement in all cases.










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"If $3$ students are chosen at random from a class with $6$ girls and $4$ boys, what is the probability that all $3$ students chosen will be girls?"



$left(dfrac{6}{10}right)left(dfrac{5}{9}right)left(dfrac{4}{8}right)$




So why can't we use that logic to answer this question?



"A bag holds $4$ red marbles, $5$ blue marbles, and $2$ green marbles. If $5$ marbles are selected one after another without replacement, what is the probability of drawing $2$ red marbles, $2$ blue marbles, and $1$ green marble?"



My answer: $left(dfrac{4}{11}right)left(dfrac{3}{10}right)left(dfrac{5}{9}right)left(dfrac{4}{8}right)left(dfrac{2}{7}right)$



But the correct answer is $dfrac{(_4C_2) cdot (_5C_2) cdot (_2C_1)}{_{11}C_5}$ (where $C$ is a combination).



Why doesn't the logic from the first problem work here?



The draws are without replacement in all cases.







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    Is the drawing with/without replacement in both cases?
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    @NoChance: without replacement for both cases.
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    Is the drawing with/without replacement in both cases?
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    @NoChance: without replacement for both cases.
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Is the drawing with/without replacement in both cases?
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@NoChance: without replacement for both cases.
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What you calculated is the probability of selecting two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble in that order. However, if we select blue, green, red, red, blue, we still get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble.



To correct your attempt, we must multiply by the number of orders in which we could get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble. Choose two of the five positions for the blue marbles and two of the remaining three positions for the green marbles. The only green marble must go in the remaining position. Then we obtain
$$binom{5}{2}binom{3}{2}binom{1}{1}left(frac{4}{11}right)left(frac{3}{10}right)left(frac{5}{9}right)left(frac{4}{8}right)left(frac{2}{7}right) = frac{20}{77}$$



Since we do not care about the order in which the marbles are selected, it is simpler to calculate the probability of selecting two of the four red marbles, two of the five blue marbles, and one of the two green marbles when we select five of the eleven marbles, which yields
$$frac{dbinom{4}{2}dbinom{5}{2}dbinom{2}{1}}{dbinom{11}{5}} = frac{20}{77}$$






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    Thank you for the explanation and especially for taking the time to correct my attempt, that really helps. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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"So why can't we use that logic to answer this question?"




Using the logic in the first question you actually calculate the event that "the first chosen student is a girl, the second is a girl and the third is a girl". This is exactly the same event as "all $3$ students chosen will be a girl".



Using the logic in the second situation you similarly calculate the event that "the first chosen marble is red, the second is red, the third is blue, the fourth is blue and the fifth is green". This is definitely not the same event as "$2$ chosen marbles are red, $2$ are blue and $1$ is green".



If that event occurs then it is not excluded that e.g. the first chosen marble is green (hence not red).



You can make use of the method, but then must not forget that the answer found at first hand must be multiplied by the number of orders that are possible.






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    Makes sense, thank you for taking the time to help me out with this. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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The first situation with the students is simpler than the second situation with the marbles because we are interested in only one kind of studens (namely girls). So we don't have to deal with different kinds of students.



This gives the simpler answer for the students-question, which doesn' work for the marbles-question.



We can apply the more general logic from the marbles-question to the students question and get as answer:



(6C3) / (10C3) = (6 * 5 * 4) / (10 * 9 * 8)



which is equal to the simpler formula you gave.






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    so do you mean that the first logic is only applicable when there are only 2 different types and it isn't applicable when there are more than 2? I mean, why exactly is it not applicable for the 2nd situation?
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    also, if you are able to write the first answer in terms of the second answer then surely it should be possible to write the 2nd answer in terms of the first answer as well? what are your thoughts on that?
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    @Lucky it's not about number of all options to choose from (genders/colours/whatever). It's about number of options that we want to get. As already explained in drhab's answer if you want to draw just one kind of elements (regardless how many kinds are there in the pool) there is no difference between ordered and unordered results
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The first question solved in the second method looks as follows:
$$frac{{6choose 3}}{{10choose 3}}=frac{6cdot 5cdot 4}{10cdot 9cdot 8}$$
Interpretation: There are ${6choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ girls out of $6$ and there are ${10choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ students out of $10$, hence the probability is the ratio of number of favorable outcomes to the total number of possible outcomes.



Now compare it with the answer of the second problem and try to interpret the selections.






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    What you calculated is the probability of selecting two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble in that order. However, if we select blue, green, red, red, blue, we still get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble.



    To correct your attempt, we must multiply by the number of orders in which we could get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble. Choose two of the five positions for the blue marbles and two of the remaining three positions for the green marbles. The only green marble must go in the remaining position. Then we obtain
    $$binom{5}{2}binom{3}{2}binom{1}{1}left(frac{4}{11}right)left(frac{3}{10}right)left(frac{5}{9}right)left(frac{4}{8}right)left(frac{2}{7}right) = frac{20}{77}$$



    Since we do not care about the order in which the marbles are selected, it is simpler to calculate the probability of selecting two of the four red marbles, two of the five blue marbles, and one of the two green marbles when we select five of the eleven marbles, which yields
    $$frac{dbinom{4}{2}dbinom{5}{2}dbinom{2}{1}}{dbinom{11}{5}} = frac{20}{77}$$






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      Thank you for the explanation and especially for taking the time to correct my attempt, that really helps. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    What you calculated is the probability of selecting two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble in that order. However, if we select blue, green, red, red, blue, we still get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble.



    To correct your attempt, we must multiply by the number of orders in which we could get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble. Choose two of the five positions for the blue marbles and two of the remaining three positions for the green marbles. The only green marble must go in the remaining position. Then we obtain
    $$binom{5}{2}binom{3}{2}binom{1}{1}left(frac{4}{11}right)left(frac{3}{10}right)left(frac{5}{9}right)left(frac{4}{8}right)left(frac{2}{7}right) = frac{20}{77}$$



    Since we do not care about the order in which the marbles are selected, it is simpler to calculate the probability of selecting two of the four red marbles, two of the five blue marbles, and one of the two green marbles when we select five of the eleven marbles, which yields
    $$frac{dbinom{4}{2}dbinom{5}{2}dbinom{2}{1}}{dbinom{11}{5}} = frac{20}{77}$$






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      Thank you for the explanation and especially for taking the time to correct my attempt, that really helps. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    What you calculated is the probability of selecting two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble in that order. However, if we select blue, green, red, red, blue, we still get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble.



    To correct your attempt, we must multiply by the number of orders in which we could get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble. Choose two of the five positions for the blue marbles and two of the remaining three positions for the green marbles. The only green marble must go in the remaining position. Then we obtain
    $$binom{5}{2}binom{3}{2}binom{1}{1}left(frac{4}{11}right)left(frac{3}{10}right)left(frac{5}{9}right)left(frac{4}{8}right)left(frac{2}{7}right) = frac{20}{77}$$



    Since we do not care about the order in which the marbles are selected, it is simpler to calculate the probability of selecting two of the four red marbles, two of the five blue marbles, and one of the two green marbles when we select five of the eleven marbles, which yields
    $$frac{dbinom{4}{2}dbinom{5}{2}dbinom{2}{1}}{dbinom{11}{5}} = frac{20}{77}$$






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    What you calculated is the probability of selecting two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble in that order. However, if we select blue, green, red, red, blue, we still get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble.



    To correct your attempt, we must multiply by the number of orders in which we could get two red marbles, two blue marbles, and one green marble. Choose two of the five positions for the blue marbles and two of the remaining three positions for the green marbles. The only green marble must go in the remaining position. Then we obtain
    $$binom{5}{2}binom{3}{2}binom{1}{1}left(frac{4}{11}right)left(frac{3}{10}right)left(frac{5}{9}right)left(frac{4}{8}right)left(frac{2}{7}right) = frac{20}{77}$$



    Since we do not care about the order in which the marbles are selected, it is simpler to calculate the probability of selecting two of the four red marbles, two of the five blue marbles, and one of the two green marbles when we select five of the eleven marbles, which yields
    $$frac{dbinom{4}{2}dbinom{5}{2}dbinom{2}{1}}{dbinom{11}{5}} = frac{20}{77}$$







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      Thank you for the explanation and especially for taking the time to correct my attempt, that really helps. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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      Thank you for the explanation and especially for taking the time to correct my attempt, that really helps. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    Thank you for the explanation and especially for taking the time to correct my attempt, that really helps. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    Thank you for the explanation and especially for taking the time to correct my attempt, that really helps. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    "So why can't we use that logic to answer this question?"




    Using the logic in the first question you actually calculate the event that "the first chosen student is a girl, the second is a girl and the third is a girl". This is exactly the same event as "all $3$ students chosen will be a girl".



    Using the logic in the second situation you similarly calculate the event that "the first chosen marble is red, the second is red, the third is blue, the fourth is blue and the fifth is green". This is definitely not the same event as "$2$ chosen marbles are red, $2$ are blue and $1$ is green".



    If that event occurs then it is not excluded that e.g. the first chosen marble is green (hence not red).



    You can make use of the method, but then must not forget that the answer found at first hand must be multiplied by the number of orders that are possible.






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      Makes sense, thank you for taking the time to help me out with this. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    "So why can't we use that logic to answer this question?"




    Using the logic in the first question you actually calculate the event that "the first chosen student is a girl, the second is a girl and the third is a girl". This is exactly the same event as "all $3$ students chosen will be a girl".



    Using the logic in the second situation you similarly calculate the event that "the first chosen marble is red, the second is red, the third is blue, the fourth is blue and the fifth is green". This is definitely not the same event as "$2$ chosen marbles are red, $2$ are blue and $1$ is green".



    If that event occurs then it is not excluded that e.g. the first chosen marble is green (hence not red).



    You can make use of the method, but then must not forget that the answer found at first hand must be multiplied by the number of orders that are possible.






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      Makes sense, thank you for taking the time to help me out with this. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    "So why can't we use that logic to answer this question?"




    Using the logic in the first question you actually calculate the event that "the first chosen student is a girl, the second is a girl and the third is a girl". This is exactly the same event as "all $3$ students chosen will be a girl".



    Using the logic in the second situation you similarly calculate the event that "the first chosen marble is red, the second is red, the third is blue, the fourth is blue and the fifth is green". This is definitely not the same event as "$2$ chosen marbles are red, $2$ are blue and $1$ is green".



    If that event occurs then it is not excluded that e.g. the first chosen marble is green (hence not red).



    You can make use of the method, but then must not forget that the answer found at first hand must be multiplied by the number of orders that are possible.






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    "So why can't we use that logic to answer this question?"




    Using the logic in the first question you actually calculate the event that "the first chosen student is a girl, the second is a girl and the third is a girl". This is exactly the same event as "all $3$ students chosen will be a girl".



    Using the logic in the second situation you similarly calculate the event that "the first chosen marble is red, the second is red, the third is blue, the fourth is blue and the fifth is green". This is definitely not the same event as "$2$ chosen marbles are red, $2$ are blue and $1$ is green".



    If that event occurs then it is not excluded that e.g. the first chosen marble is green (hence not red).



    You can make use of the method, but then must not forget that the answer found at first hand must be multiplied by the number of orders that are possible.







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      Makes sense, thank you for taking the time to help me out with this. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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      Makes sense, thank you for taking the time to help me out with this. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    Makes sense, thank you for taking the time to help me out with this. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    Makes sense, thank you for taking the time to help me out with this. :) Really appreciate it. :)
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    The first situation with the students is simpler than the second situation with the marbles because we are interested in only one kind of studens (namely girls). So we don't have to deal with different kinds of students.



    This gives the simpler answer for the students-question, which doesn' work for the marbles-question.



    We can apply the more general logic from the marbles-question to the students question and get as answer:



    (6C3) / (10C3) = (6 * 5 * 4) / (10 * 9 * 8)



    which is equal to the simpler formula you gave.






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      so do you mean that the first logic is only applicable when there are only 2 different types and it isn't applicable when there are more than 2? I mean, why exactly is it not applicable for the 2nd situation?
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      also, if you are able to write the first answer in terms of the second answer then surely it should be possible to write the 2nd answer in terms of the first answer as well? what are your thoughts on that?
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      @Lucky it's not about number of all options to choose from (genders/colours/whatever). It's about number of options that we want to get. As already explained in drhab's answer if you want to draw just one kind of elements (regardless how many kinds are there in the pool) there is no difference between ordered and unordered results
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    The first situation with the students is simpler than the second situation with the marbles because we are interested in only one kind of studens (namely girls). So we don't have to deal with different kinds of students.



    This gives the simpler answer for the students-question, which doesn' work for the marbles-question.



    We can apply the more general logic from the marbles-question to the students question and get as answer:



    (6C3) / (10C3) = (6 * 5 * 4) / (10 * 9 * 8)



    which is equal to the simpler formula you gave.






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      so do you mean that the first logic is only applicable when there are only 2 different types and it isn't applicable when there are more than 2? I mean, why exactly is it not applicable for the 2nd situation?
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      also, if you are able to write the first answer in terms of the second answer then surely it should be possible to write the 2nd answer in terms of the first answer as well? what are your thoughts on that?
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      @Lucky it's not about number of all options to choose from (genders/colours/whatever). It's about number of options that we want to get. As already explained in drhab's answer if you want to draw just one kind of elements (regardless how many kinds are there in the pool) there is no difference between ordered and unordered results
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    The first situation with the students is simpler than the second situation with the marbles because we are interested in only one kind of studens (namely girls). So we don't have to deal with different kinds of students.



    This gives the simpler answer for the students-question, which doesn' work for the marbles-question.



    We can apply the more general logic from the marbles-question to the students question and get as answer:



    (6C3) / (10C3) = (6 * 5 * 4) / (10 * 9 * 8)



    which is equal to the simpler formula you gave.






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    The first situation with the students is simpler than the second situation with the marbles because we are interested in only one kind of studens (namely girls). So we don't have to deal with different kinds of students.



    This gives the simpler answer for the students-question, which doesn' work for the marbles-question.



    We can apply the more general logic from the marbles-question to the students question and get as answer:



    (6C3) / (10C3) = (6 * 5 * 4) / (10 * 9 * 8)



    which is equal to the simpler formula you gave.







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      so do you mean that the first logic is only applicable when there are only 2 different types and it isn't applicable when there are more than 2? I mean, why exactly is it not applicable for the 2nd situation?
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      also, if you are able to write the first answer in terms of the second answer then surely it should be possible to write the 2nd answer in terms of the first answer as well? what are your thoughts on that?
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      @Lucky it's not about number of all options to choose from (genders/colours/whatever). It's about number of options that we want to get. As already explained in drhab's answer if you want to draw just one kind of elements (regardless how many kinds are there in the pool) there is no difference between ordered and unordered results
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    • $begingroup$
      so do you mean that the first logic is only applicable when there are only 2 different types and it isn't applicable when there are more than 2? I mean, why exactly is it not applicable for the 2nd situation?
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      – Lucky
      2 days ago












    • $begingroup$
      also, if you are able to write the first answer in terms of the second answer then surely it should be possible to write the 2nd answer in terms of the first answer as well? what are your thoughts on that?
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      – Lucky
      2 days ago










    • $begingroup$
      @Lucky it's not about number of all options to choose from (genders/colours/whatever). It's about number of options that we want to get. As already explained in drhab's answer if you want to draw just one kind of elements (regardless how many kinds are there in the pool) there is no difference between ordered and unordered results
      $endgroup$
      – Ister
      yesterday
















    $begingroup$
    so do you mean that the first logic is only applicable when there are only 2 different types and it isn't applicable when there are more than 2? I mean, why exactly is it not applicable for the 2nd situation?
    $endgroup$
    – Lucky
    2 days ago






    $begingroup$
    so do you mean that the first logic is only applicable when there are only 2 different types and it isn't applicable when there are more than 2? I mean, why exactly is it not applicable for the 2nd situation?
    $endgroup$
    – Lucky
    2 days ago














    $begingroup$
    also, if you are able to write the first answer in terms of the second answer then surely it should be possible to write the 2nd answer in terms of the first answer as well? what are your thoughts on that?
    $endgroup$
    – Lucky
    2 days ago




    $begingroup$
    also, if you are able to write the first answer in terms of the second answer then surely it should be possible to write the 2nd answer in terms of the first answer as well? what are your thoughts on that?
    $endgroup$
    – Lucky
    2 days ago












    $begingroup$
    @Lucky it's not about number of all options to choose from (genders/colours/whatever). It's about number of options that we want to get. As already explained in drhab's answer if you want to draw just one kind of elements (regardless how many kinds are there in the pool) there is no difference between ordered and unordered results
    $endgroup$
    – Ister
    yesterday




    $begingroup$
    @Lucky it's not about number of all options to choose from (genders/colours/whatever). It's about number of options that we want to get. As already explained in drhab's answer if you want to draw just one kind of elements (regardless how many kinds are there in the pool) there is no difference between ordered and unordered results
    $endgroup$
    – Ister
    yesterday











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    The first question solved in the second method looks as follows:
    $$frac{{6choose 3}}{{10choose 3}}=frac{6cdot 5cdot 4}{10cdot 9cdot 8}$$
    Interpretation: There are ${6choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ girls out of $6$ and there are ${10choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ students out of $10$, hence the probability is the ratio of number of favorable outcomes to the total number of possible outcomes.



    Now compare it with the answer of the second problem and try to interpret the selections.






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      $begingroup$

      The first question solved in the second method looks as follows:
      $$frac{{6choose 3}}{{10choose 3}}=frac{6cdot 5cdot 4}{10cdot 9cdot 8}$$
      Interpretation: There are ${6choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ girls out of $6$ and there are ${10choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ students out of $10$, hence the probability is the ratio of number of favorable outcomes to the total number of possible outcomes.



      Now compare it with the answer of the second problem and try to interpret the selections.






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        $begingroup$

        The first question solved in the second method looks as follows:
        $$frac{{6choose 3}}{{10choose 3}}=frac{6cdot 5cdot 4}{10cdot 9cdot 8}$$
        Interpretation: There are ${6choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ girls out of $6$ and there are ${10choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ students out of $10$, hence the probability is the ratio of number of favorable outcomes to the total number of possible outcomes.



        Now compare it with the answer of the second problem and try to interpret the selections.






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        The first question solved in the second method looks as follows:
        $$frac{{6choose 3}}{{10choose 3}}=frac{6cdot 5cdot 4}{10cdot 9cdot 8}$$
        Interpretation: There are ${6choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ girls out of $6$ and there are ${10choose 3}$ ways to choose $3$ students out of $10$, hence the probability is the ratio of number of favorable outcomes to the total number of possible outcomes.



        Now compare it with the answer of the second problem and try to interpret the selections.







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