If a druid in Wild Shape swallows a creature whole, then turns back to her normal form, what happens?
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Our goblin druid posed a question today which made our DM bluescreen:
"If I turned into a giant toad, swallowed a Medium-sized creature whole, and then turned back, what happens?"
The goblin druid is a Small creature, and the giant toad is a Large creature. The creature being swallowed is Medium-sized.
This is essentially the inverse of this question, though not quite a duplicate because it's the eating creature doing the shapeshifting rather than the eaten one. Closely related to this question, with the primary difference being wildshape by a willing druid vs polymorph of an unwilling monster.
dnd-5e rules-as-written druid wild-shape
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Our goblin druid posed a question today which made our DM bluescreen:
"If I turned into a giant toad, swallowed a Medium-sized creature whole, and then turned back, what happens?"
The goblin druid is a Small creature, and the giant toad is a Large creature. The creature being swallowed is Medium-sized.
This is essentially the inverse of this question, though not quite a duplicate because it's the eating creature doing the shapeshifting rather than the eaten one. Closely related to this question, with the primary difference being wildshape by a willing druid vs polymorph of an unwilling monster.
dnd-5e rules-as-written druid wild-shape
edited 4 hours ago
V2Blast
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asked 4 hours ago
thatgirldmthatgirldm
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Given the [rules-as-written] tag, are you looking for a strict literalist interpretation of the rules, even when it leads to absurd interpretations? Or is it just meant as a regular rules question?
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– V2Blast
4 hours ago
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We are most interested in whether there is any rule around this, since neither linked question cites strict rules. Absurd is fine (the situation is somewhat absurd to begin with :) ).
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– thatgirldm
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Our goblin druid posed a question today which made our DM bluescreen:
"If I turned into a giant toad, swallowed a Medium-sized creature whole, and then turned back, what happens?"
The goblin druid is a Small creature, and the giant toad is a Large creature. The creature being swallowed is Medium-sized.
This is essentially the inverse of this question, though not quite a duplicate because it's the eating creature doing the shapeshifting rather than the eaten one. Closely related to this question, with the primary difference being wildshape by a willing druid vs polymorph of an unwilling monster.
dnd-5e rules-as-written druid wild-shape
edited 4 hours ago
V2Blast
23.5k375147
asked 4 hours ago
thatgirldmthatgirldm
15.3k25569
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Our goblin druid posed a question today which made our DM bluescreen:
"If I turned into a giant toad, swallowed a Medium-sized creature whole, and then turned back, what happens?"
The goblin druid is a Small creature, and the giant toad is a Large creature. The creature being swallowed is Medium-sized.
This is essentially the inverse of this question, though not quite a duplicate because it's the eating creature doing the shapeshifting rather than the eaten one. Closely related to this question, with the primary difference being wildshape by a willing druid vs polymorph of an unwilling monster.
dnd-5e rules-as-written druid wild-shape
dnd-5e rules-as-written druid wild-shape
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Given the [rules-as-written] tag, are you looking for a strict literalist interpretation of the rules, even when it leads to absurd interpretations? Or is it just meant as a regular rules question?
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– V2Blast
4 hours ago
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We are most interested in whether there is any rule around this, since neither linked question cites strict rules. Absurd is fine (the situation is somewhat absurd to begin with :) ).
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– thatgirldm
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Given the [rules-as-written] tag, are you looking for a strict literalist interpretation of the rules, even when it leads to absurd interpretations? Or is it just meant as a regular rules question?
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– V2Blast
4 hours ago
1
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We are most interested in whether there is any rule around this, since neither linked question cites strict rules. Absurd is fine (the situation is somewhat absurd to begin with :) ).
$endgroup$
– thatgirldm
4 hours ago
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Given the [rules-as-written] tag, are you looking for a strict literalist interpretation of the rules, even when it leads to absurd interpretations? Or is it just meant as a regular rules question?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
Given the [rules-as-written] tag, are you looking for a strict literalist interpretation of the rules, even when it leads to absurd interpretations? Or is it just meant as a regular rules question?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
4 hours ago
1
1
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We are most interested in whether there is any rule around this, since neither linked question cites strict rules. Absurd is fine (the situation is somewhat absurd to begin with :) ).
$endgroup$
– thatgirldm
4 hours ago
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We are most interested in whether there is any rule around this, since neither linked question cites strict rules. Absurd is fine (the situation is somewhat absurd to begin with :) ).
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When a target of an effect ceases to be a valid target it is no longer affected
A giant toad can swallow a creature, your druid cannot - as per the effect, I mean. Obviously, the druid can swallow things that a goblin could swallow - things I don't want to think about.
As the druid transforms from giant toad to goblin the swallowing ends. Feel free to describe how this happens in as much nauseating detail as you like.
answered 3 hours ago
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RAW - the only interpretation can be taken from the equipment section of the Wildshape description (emphasis mine):
You choose whether your Equipment falls to the ground in your space, merges into your new form, or is worn by it. Worn Equipment functions as normal, but the DM decides whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of Equipment, based on the creature's shape and size. Your Equipment doesn't change size or shape to match the new form, and any Equipment that the new form can't wear must either fall to the ground or merge with it. Equipment that merges with the form has no effect until you leave the form.
Albeit, this is referencing equipment that is worn by the druid when shifting into a beast form. So for example, your gnome druid would not be able to keep wearing its leather armour - the toad form is too big to wear it. So it must either be dropped, or merge with the transformation.
This could work the same way in reverse. Upon transforming back into the gnome, the medium creature would either be merged with your PC, or dropped (i.e., regurgitated).
Again, this will probably have to be ruled by your DM.
answered 3 hours ago
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What happens is called flatus
The character ate a large meal without allowing time to digest it as a giant frog. Had they stayed in that form longer, the normal frog digestion would render this problem moot.
But since they switched back to humanoid form too quickly, they are not just "full" but "really full" along the lines of eating three pizzas. Expect a passage of wind anon.
RAW there isn't an answer for this.
I thus recommend the above ruling to fill in the gap that RAW failed to foresee, which was "eating something bigger than your head."
At a time like this, rely on RAF rather than RAW.
answered 3 hours ago
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When a target of an effect ceases to be a valid target it is no longer affected
A giant toad can swallow a creature, your druid cannot - as per the effect, I mean. Obviously, the druid can swallow things that a goblin could swallow - things I don't want to think about.
As the druid transforms from giant toad to goblin the swallowing ends. Feel free to describe how this happens in as much nauseating detail as you like.
answered 3 hours ago
Dale MDale M
108k21277476
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
When a target of an effect ceases to be a valid target it is no longer affected
A giant toad can swallow a creature, your druid cannot - as per the effect, I mean. Obviously, the druid can swallow things that a goblin could swallow - things I don't want to think about.
As the druid transforms from giant toad to goblin the swallowing ends. Feel free to describe how this happens in as much nauseating detail as you like.
answered 3 hours ago
Dale MDale M
108k21277476
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
When a target of an effect ceases to be a valid target it is no longer affected
A giant toad can swallow a creature, your druid cannot - as per the effect, I mean. Obviously, the druid can swallow things that a goblin could swallow - things I don't want to think about.
As the druid transforms from giant toad to goblin the swallowing ends. Feel free to describe how this happens in as much nauseating detail as you like.
answered 3 hours ago
Dale MDale M
108k21277476
$endgroup$
When a target of an effect ceases to be a valid target it is no longer affected
A giant toad can swallow a creature, your druid cannot - as per the effect, I mean. Obviously, the druid can swallow things that a goblin could swallow - things I don't want to think about.
As the druid transforms from giant toad to goblin the swallowing ends. Feel free to describe how this happens in as much nauseating detail as you like.
answered 3 hours ago
Dale MDale M
108k21277476
answered 3 hours ago
Dale MDale M
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Dale MDale M
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answered 3 hours ago
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RAW - the only interpretation can be taken from the equipment section of the Wildshape description (emphasis mine):
You choose whether your Equipment falls to the ground in your space, merges into your new form, or is worn by it. Worn Equipment functions as normal, but the DM decides whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of Equipment, based on the creature's shape and size. Your Equipment doesn't change size or shape to match the new form, and any Equipment that the new form can't wear must either fall to the ground or merge with it. Equipment that merges with the form has no effect until you leave the form.
Albeit, this is referencing equipment that is worn by the druid when shifting into a beast form. So for example, your gnome druid would not be able to keep wearing its leather armour - the toad form is too big to wear it. So it must either be dropped, or merge with the transformation.
This could work the same way in reverse. Upon transforming back into the gnome, the medium creature would either be merged with your PC, or dropped (i.e., regurgitated).
Again, this will probably have to be ruled by your DM.
answered 3 hours ago
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RAW - the only interpretation can be taken from the equipment section of the Wildshape description (emphasis mine):
You choose whether your Equipment falls to the ground in your space, merges into your new form, or is worn by it. Worn Equipment functions as normal, but the DM decides whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of Equipment, based on the creature's shape and size. Your Equipment doesn't change size or shape to match the new form, and any Equipment that the new form can't wear must either fall to the ground or merge with it. Equipment that merges with the form has no effect until you leave the form.
Albeit, this is referencing equipment that is worn by the druid when shifting into a beast form. So for example, your gnome druid would not be able to keep wearing its leather armour - the toad form is too big to wear it. So it must either be dropped, or merge with the transformation.
This could work the same way in reverse. Upon transforming back into the gnome, the medium creature would either be merged with your PC, or dropped (i.e., regurgitated).
Again, this will probably have to be ruled by your DM.
answered 3 hours ago
BenBen
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$begingroup$
RAW - the only interpretation can be taken from the equipment section of the Wildshape description (emphasis mine):
You choose whether your Equipment falls to the ground in your space, merges into your new form, or is worn by it. Worn Equipment functions as normal, but the DM decides whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of Equipment, based on the creature's shape and size. Your Equipment doesn't change size or shape to match the new form, and any Equipment that the new form can't wear must either fall to the ground or merge with it. Equipment that merges with the form has no effect until you leave the form.
Albeit, this is referencing equipment that is worn by the druid when shifting into a beast form. So for example, your gnome druid would not be able to keep wearing its leather armour - the toad form is too big to wear it. So it must either be dropped, or merge with the transformation.
This could work the same way in reverse. Upon transforming back into the gnome, the medium creature would either be merged with your PC, or dropped (i.e., regurgitated).
Again, this will probably have to be ruled by your DM.
answered 3 hours ago
BenBen
10.7k1566134
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RAW - the only interpretation can be taken from the equipment section of the Wildshape description (emphasis mine):
You choose whether your Equipment falls to the ground in your space, merges into your new form, or is worn by it. Worn Equipment functions as normal, but the DM decides whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of Equipment, based on the creature's shape and size. Your Equipment doesn't change size or shape to match the new form, and any Equipment that the new form can't wear must either fall to the ground or merge with it. Equipment that merges with the form has no effect until you leave the form.
Albeit, this is referencing equipment that is worn by the druid when shifting into a beast form. So for example, your gnome druid would not be able to keep wearing its leather armour - the toad form is too big to wear it. So it must either be dropped, or merge with the transformation.
This could work the same way in reverse. Upon transforming back into the gnome, the medium creature would either be merged with your PC, or dropped (i.e., regurgitated).
Again, this will probably have to be ruled by your DM.
answered 3 hours ago
BenBen
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BenBen
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BenBen
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What happens is called flatus
The character ate a large meal without allowing time to digest it as a giant frog. Had they stayed in that form longer, the normal frog digestion would render this problem moot.
But since they switched back to humanoid form too quickly, they are not just "full" but "really full" along the lines of eating three pizzas. Expect a passage of wind anon.
RAW there isn't an answer for this.
I thus recommend the above ruling to fill in the gap that RAW failed to foresee, which was "eating something bigger than your head."
At a time like this, rely on RAF rather than RAW.
answered 3 hours ago
KorvinStarmastKorvinStarmast
80.5k19252434
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$begingroup$
What happens is called flatus
The character ate a large meal without allowing time to digest it as a giant frog. Had they stayed in that form longer, the normal frog digestion would render this problem moot.
But since they switched back to humanoid form too quickly, they are not just "full" but "really full" along the lines of eating three pizzas. Expect a passage of wind anon.
RAW there isn't an answer for this.
I thus recommend the above ruling to fill in the gap that RAW failed to foresee, which was "eating something bigger than your head."
At a time like this, rely on RAF rather than RAW.
answered 3 hours ago
KorvinStarmastKorvinStarmast
80.5k19252434
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$begingroup$
What happens is called flatus
The character ate a large meal without allowing time to digest it as a giant frog. Had they stayed in that form longer, the normal frog digestion would render this problem moot.
But since they switched back to humanoid form too quickly, they are not just "full" but "really full" along the lines of eating three pizzas. Expect a passage of wind anon.
RAW there isn't an answer for this.
I thus recommend the above ruling to fill in the gap that RAW failed to foresee, which was "eating something bigger than your head."
At a time like this, rely on RAF rather than RAW.
answered 3 hours ago
KorvinStarmastKorvinStarmast
80.5k19252434
$endgroup$
What happens is called flatus
The character ate a large meal without allowing time to digest it as a giant frog. Had they stayed in that form longer, the normal frog digestion would render this problem moot.
But since they switched back to humanoid form too quickly, they are not just "full" but "really full" along the lines of eating three pizzas. Expect a passage of wind anon.
RAW there isn't an answer for this.
I thus recommend the above ruling to fill in the gap that RAW failed to foresee, which was "eating something bigger than your head."
At a time like this, rely on RAF rather than RAW.
answered 3 hours ago
KorvinStarmastKorvinStarmast
80.5k19252434
answered 3 hours ago
KorvinStarmastKorvinStarmast
80.5k19252434
answered 3 hours ago
KorvinStarmastKorvinStarmast
80.5k19252434
answered 3 hours ago
KorvinStarmastKorvinStarmast
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Given the [rules-as-written] tag, are you looking for a strict literalist interpretation of the rules, even when it leads to absurd interpretations? Or is it just meant as a regular rules question?
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– V2Blast
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We are most interested in whether there is any rule around this, since neither linked question cites strict rules. Absurd is fine (the situation is somewhat absurd to begin with :) ).
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– thatgirldm
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