RSA: Danger of using p to create q
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Assume my prime generation is as follows:
Pick a number $p$ between 1000 and 9999. $p=abcd$.
Make sure $p$ is prime
Construct $q$ such by taking the last 2 digits of $p$ and the first 2 digits of $p$, i.e. $q=cdab$
Make sure $q$ is prime.
Is the resulting $n = p·q$ more easily factorable?
My gut feeling says yes but I can't see why? I thought about Coppersmith but in this case, we don't have any common bit between $p$ and $q$ that are also at the same place. Is there a weakness?
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Assume my prime generation is as follows:
Pick a number $p$ between 1000 and 9999. $p=abcd$.
Make sure $p$ is prime
Construct $q$ such by taking the last 2 digits of $p$ and the first 2 digits of $p$, i.e. $q=cdab$
Make sure $q$ is prime.
Is the resulting $n = p·q$ more easily factorable?
My gut feeling says yes but I can't see why? I thought about Coppersmith but in this case, we don't have any common bit between $p$ and $q$ that are also at the same place. Is there a weakness?
rsa
edited 15 hours ago
Paŭlo Ebermann
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S. L.S. L.
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Of course, any product of two 4-digit primes is trivially factorable by trial division anyway, since there are only 1061 primes between 1000 and 9999. Add in the digit reversal requirement, and there are only 76(!) possible pairs to consider.
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– Ilmari Karonen
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@Nat: My fault, I added the "$= pq$" for context in an edit, and didn't notice the potential ambiguity. I see Paŭlo has already fixed it.
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– Ilmari Karonen
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I'd just like to add that this is inspired by a contest that just ended (12 minutes ago).
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Assume my prime generation is as follows:
Pick a number $p$ between 1000 and 9999. $p=abcd$.
Make sure $p$ is prime
Construct $q$ such by taking the last 2 digits of $p$ and the first 2 digits of $p$, i.e. $q=cdab$
Make sure $q$ is prime.
Is the resulting $n = p·q$ more easily factorable?
My gut feeling says yes but I can't see why? I thought about Coppersmith but in this case, we don't have any common bit between $p$ and $q$ that are also at the same place. Is there a weakness?
rsa
edited 15 hours ago
Paŭlo Ebermann
18.9k560106
asked yesterday
S. L.S. L.
957
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Assume my prime generation is as follows:
Pick a number $p$ between 1000 and 9999. $p=abcd$.
Make sure $p$ is prime
Construct $q$ such by taking the last 2 digits of $p$ and the first 2 digits of $p$, i.e. $q=cdab$
Make sure $q$ is prime.
Is the resulting $n = p·q$ more easily factorable?
My gut feeling says yes but I can't see why? I thought about Coppersmith but in this case, we don't have any common bit between $p$ and $q$ that are also at the same place. Is there a weakness?
rsa
rsa
edited 15 hours ago
Paŭlo Ebermann
18.9k560106
asked yesterday
S. L.S. L.
957
edited 15 hours ago
Paŭlo Ebermann
18.9k560106
asked yesterday
S. L.S. L.
957
edited 15 hours ago
Paŭlo Ebermann
18.9k560106
edited 15 hours ago
Paŭlo Ebermann
18.9k560106
edited 15 hours ago
Paŭlo Ebermann
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957
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957
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957
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Of course, any product of two 4-digit primes is trivially factorable by trial division anyway, since there are only 1061 primes between 1000 and 9999. Add in the digit reversal requirement, and there are only 76(!) possible pairs to consider.
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– Ilmari Karonen
yesterday
1
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@Nat: My fault, I added the "$= pq$" for context in an edit, and didn't notice the potential ambiguity. I see Paŭlo has already fixed it.
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– Ilmari Karonen
14 hours ago
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I'd just like to add that this is inspired by a contest that just ended (12 minutes ago).
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– enedil
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Of course, any product of two 4-digit primes is trivially factorable by trial division anyway, since there are only 1061 primes between 1000 and 9999. Add in the digit reversal requirement, and there are only 76(!) possible pairs to consider.
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– Ilmari Karonen
yesterday
1
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@Nat: My fault, I added the "$= pq$" for context in an edit, and didn't notice the potential ambiguity. I see Paŭlo has already fixed it.
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– Ilmari Karonen
14 hours ago
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I'd just like to add that this is inspired by a contest that just ended (12 minutes ago).
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– enedil
10 hours ago
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Of course, any product of two 4-digit primes is trivially factorable by trial division anyway, since there are only 1061 primes between 1000 and 9999. Add in the digit reversal requirement, and there are only 76(!) possible pairs to consider.
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– Ilmari Karonen
yesterday
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Of course, any product of two 4-digit primes is trivially factorable by trial division anyway, since there are only 1061 primes between 1000 and 9999. Add in the digit reversal requirement, and there are only 76(!) possible pairs to consider.
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– Ilmari Karonen
yesterday
1
1
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@Nat: My fault, I added the "$= pq$" for context in an edit, and didn't notice the potential ambiguity. I see Paŭlo has already fixed it.
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– Ilmari Karonen
14 hours ago
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@Nat: My fault, I added the "$= pq$" for context in an edit, and didn't notice the potential ambiguity. I see Paŭlo has already fixed it.
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– Ilmari Karonen
14 hours ago
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I'd just like to add that this is inspired by a contest that just ended (12 minutes ago).
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– enedil
10 hours ago
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I'd just like to add that this is inspired by a contest that just ended (12 minutes ago).
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You don't need anything fancy like Coppersmith, just simple algebra. The idea is to translate the equations we have involving the digits of $p$ and $q$ in base $B$ ($B = 100$ in your example) into equations involving the digits of $n$ in base $B$, which we know. You have $p = x B + y$ and $q = y B + x$, with $0 lt x, y lt B$. Then $n = x y B^2 + (x^2 + y^2) B + x y$.
The rightmost digit of $n$ in base $B$ is $(x y) bmod B$. Since ${x,y} le B-1$, $(x^2 + y^2) B + x y le 2 (B-1)^2 B + (B-1)^2 lt 2 (B-1)^2 (B+1) = 2 (B-1) (B^2-1) lt 2 B^3$. Hence the $B^3$ digit of $n$ is the $B$ digit of $x y$ plus $z$ where $0 le z lt 2$, i.e. $z in {0, 1}$. So by reading the digits of $n$ in base $B$, we get the digits of $x y$ in base $B$, up to two possibilities, giving just two possibilities for $x y$ itself: $x y in {W_0, W_1}$.
Injecting this knowledge into the equation above gives us $x^2 + y^2 = (n - W_z (B^2 + 1)) / B$. And of course knowing both $x^2 + y^2$ and $x y$ gives $x$ and $y$.
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Thanks for the explanation! I get most of it but wouldn't $n= xyB^2 + Bx^2 + By^2 + xy$? Do the other equations hold?
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– S. L.
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@S.L. Woops, different equation, but same principle.
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Here's how to recover $x, y$ in a way that's easier than factoring $n$ (I'll use the notation $x, y$ rather than your notation $ab, cd$):
We have $n = xyB^2 + (x^2+y^2)B + xy$
First, compute $n bmod B$, that gives you $xy bmod B$
Then, compute $lfloor (n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 rfloor$; this gives you $xy / B + epsilon$, where $0 le epsilon le 2$
Pasting those two together will give you a total of three possibilities of $xy$.
Then, for each possibility, compute $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B + 2xy$ and $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B - 2xy$; if the guess of $epsilon$ is correct, these will be $(x+y)^2$ and $(x-y)^2$; take squareroots, and extract $x, y$ directly.
(Thanks for Giles for pointing out this last part)
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ponchoponcho
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Yeah, right, the $B^3$ digit of $n$ gives the other digit of $x y$. And there's no need to factor anything: once you know $x y$, you know $x^2 + y^2$.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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@Gilles: yup, you're right; I'll update the answer
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– poncho
yesterday
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I don't get this part: Then, compute $⌊(n−B^2(xymod B))/B^3⌋$ this gives you $xy/B+ϵ$, where $0≤ϵ≤2$. I have $xymod B$ but not $xy$?
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$(n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 = lfloor(xy/B) rfloor + x^2 / B^2 + y^2 / B^2 + xy / B^3$; we know that $x^2 / B^2, y^2 / B^2, xy / B^3$ are all less than 1 (and $ge 0$), and so the sum must be in the interval $[0, 3)$, that is, two or less once you round down...
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You don't need anything fancy like Coppersmith, just simple algebra. The idea is to translate the equations we have involving the digits of $p$ and $q$ in base $B$ ($B = 100$ in your example) into equations involving the digits of $n$ in base $B$, which we know. You have $p = x B + y$ and $q = y B + x$, with $0 lt x, y lt B$. Then $n = x y B^2 + (x^2 + y^2) B + x y$.
The rightmost digit of $n$ in base $B$ is $(x y) bmod B$. Since ${x,y} le B-1$, $(x^2 + y^2) B + x y le 2 (B-1)^2 B + (B-1)^2 lt 2 (B-1)^2 (B+1) = 2 (B-1) (B^2-1) lt 2 B^3$. Hence the $B^3$ digit of $n$ is the $B$ digit of $x y$ plus $z$ where $0 le z lt 2$, i.e. $z in {0, 1}$. So by reading the digits of $n$ in base $B$, we get the digits of $x y$ in base $B$, up to two possibilities, giving just two possibilities for $x y$ itself: $x y in {W_0, W_1}$.
Injecting this knowledge into the equation above gives us $x^2 + y^2 = (n - W_z (B^2 + 1)) / B$. And of course knowing both $x^2 + y^2$ and $x y$ gives $x$ and $y$.
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GillesGilles
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Thanks for the explanation! I get most of it but wouldn't $n= xyB^2 + Bx^2 + By^2 + xy$? Do the other equations hold?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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@S.L. Woops, different equation, but same principle.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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You don't need anything fancy like Coppersmith, just simple algebra. The idea is to translate the equations we have involving the digits of $p$ and $q$ in base $B$ ($B = 100$ in your example) into equations involving the digits of $n$ in base $B$, which we know. You have $p = x B + y$ and $q = y B + x$, with $0 lt x, y lt B$. Then $n = x y B^2 + (x^2 + y^2) B + x y$.
The rightmost digit of $n$ in base $B$ is $(x y) bmod B$. Since ${x,y} le B-1$, $(x^2 + y^2) B + x y le 2 (B-1)^2 B + (B-1)^2 lt 2 (B-1)^2 (B+1) = 2 (B-1) (B^2-1) lt 2 B^3$. Hence the $B^3$ digit of $n$ is the $B$ digit of $x y$ plus $z$ where $0 le z lt 2$, i.e. $z in {0, 1}$. So by reading the digits of $n$ in base $B$, we get the digits of $x y$ in base $B$, up to two possibilities, giving just two possibilities for $x y$ itself: $x y in {W_0, W_1}$.
Injecting this knowledge into the equation above gives us $x^2 + y^2 = (n - W_z (B^2 + 1)) / B$. And of course knowing both $x^2 + y^2$ and $x y$ gives $x$ and $y$.
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Thanks for the explanation! I get most of it but wouldn't $n= xyB^2 + Bx^2 + By^2 + xy$? Do the other equations hold?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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@S.L. Woops, different equation, but same principle.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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You don't need anything fancy like Coppersmith, just simple algebra. The idea is to translate the equations we have involving the digits of $p$ and $q$ in base $B$ ($B = 100$ in your example) into equations involving the digits of $n$ in base $B$, which we know. You have $p = x B + y$ and $q = y B + x$, with $0 lt x, y lt B$. Then $n = x y B^2 + (x^2 + y^2) B + x y$.
The rightmost digit of $n$ in base $B$ is $(x y) bmod B$. Since ${x,y} le B-1$, $(x^2 + y^2) B + x y le 2 (B-1)^2 B + (B-1)^2 lt 2 (B-1)^2 (B+1) = 2 (B-1) (B^2-1) lt 2 B^3$. Hence the $B^3$ digit of $n$ is the $B$ digit of $x y$ plus $z$ where $0 le z lt 2$, i.e. $z in {0, 1}$. So by reading the digits of $n$ in base $B$, we get the digits of $x y$ in base $B$, up to two possibilities, giving just two possibilities for $x y$ itself: $x y in {W_0, W_1}$.
Injecting this knowledge into the equation above gives us $x^2 + y^2 = (n - W_z (B^2 + 1)) / B$. And of course knowing both $x^2 + y^2$ and $x y$ gives $x$ and $y$.
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GillesGilles
8,39232756
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You don't need anything fancy like Coppersmith, just simple algebra. The idea is to translate the equations we have involving the digits of $p$ and $q$ in base $B$ ($B = 100$ in your example) into equations involving the digits of $n$ in base $B$, which we know. You have $p = x B + y$ and $q = y B + x$, with $0 lt x, y lt B$. Then $n = x y B^2 + (x^2 + y^2) B + x y$.
The rightmost digit of $n$ in base $B$ is $(x y) bmod B$. Since ${x,y} le B-1$, $(x^2 + y^2) B + x y le 2 (B-1)^2 B + (B-1)^2 lt 2 (B-1)^2 (B+1) = 2 (B-1) (B^2-1) lt 2 B^3$. Hence the $B^3$ digit of $n$ is the $B$ digit of $x y$ plus $z$ where $0 le z lt 2$, i.e. $z in {0, 1}$. So by reading the digits of $n$ in base $B$, we get the digits of $x y$ in base $B$, up to two possibilities, giving just two possibilities for $x y$ itself: $x y in {W_0, W_1}$.
Injecting this knowledge into the equation above gives us $x^2 + y^2 = (n - W_z (B^2 + 1)) / B$. And of course knowing both $x^2 + y^2$ and $x y$ gives $x$ and $y$.
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Thanks for the explanation! I get most of it but wouldn't $n= xyB^2 + Bx^2 + By^2 + xy$? Do the other equations hold?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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@S.L. Woops, different equation, but same principle.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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Thanks for the explanation! I get most of it but wouldn't $n= xyB^2 + Bx^2 + By^2 + xy$? Do the other equations hold?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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@S.L. Woops, different equation, but same principle.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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Thanks for the explanation! I get most of it but wouldn't $n= xyB^2 + Bx^2 + By^2 + xy$? Do the other equations hold?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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Thanks for the explanation! I get most of it but wouldn't $n= xyB^2 + Bx^2 + By^2 + xy$? Do the other equations hold?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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@S.L. Woops, different equation, but same principle.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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@S.L. Woops, different equation, but same principle.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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Here's how to recover $x, y$ in a way that's easier than factoring $n$ (I'll use the notation $x, y$ rather than your notation $ab, cd$):
We have $n = xyB^2 + (x^2+y^2)B + xy$
First, compute $n bmod B$, that gives you $xy bmod B$
Then, compute $lfloor (n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 rfloor$; this gives you $xy / B + epsilon$, where $0 le epsilon le 2$
Pasting those two together will give you a total of three possibilities of $xy$.
Then, for each possibility, compute $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B + 2xy$ and $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B - 2xy$; if the guess of $epsilon$ is correct, these will be $(x+y)^2$ and $(x-y)^2$; take squareroots, and extract $x, y$ directly.
(Thanks for Giles for pointing out this last part)
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ponchoponcho
93.8k2146244
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Yeah, right, the $B^3$ digit of $n$ gives the other digit of $x y$. And there's no need to factor anything: once you know $x y$, you know $x^2 + y^2$.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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@Gilles: yup, you're right; I'll update the answer
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– poncho
yesterday
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I don't get this part: Then, compute $⌊(n−B^2(xymod B))/B^3⌋$ this gives you $xy/B+ϵ$, where $0≤ϵ≤2$. I have $xymod B$ but not $xy$?
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$(n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 = lfloor(xy/B) rfloor + x^2 / B^2 + y^2 / B^2 + xy / B^3$; we know that $x^2 / B^2, y^2 / B^2, xy / B^3$ are all less than 1 (and $ge 0$), and so the sum must be in the interval $[0, 3)$, that is, two or less once you round down...
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Here's how to recover $x, y$ in a way that's easier than factoring $n$ (I'll use the notation $x, y$ rather than your notation $ab, cd$):
We have $n = xyB^2 + (x^2+y^2)B + xy$
First, compute $n bmod B$, that gives you $xy bmod B$
Then, compute $lfloor (n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 rfloor$; this gives you $xy / B + epsilon$, where $0 le epsilon le 2$
Pasting those two together will give you a total of three possibilities of $xy$.
Then, for each possibility, compute $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B + 2xy$ and $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B - 2xy$; if the guess of $epsilon$ is correct, these will be $(x+y)^2$ and $(x-y)^2$; take squareroots, and extract $x, y$ directly.
(Thanks for Giles for pointing out this last part)
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ponchoponcho
93.8k2146244
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Yeah, right, the $B^3$ digit of $n$ gives the other digit of $x y$. And there's no need to factor anything: once you know $x y$, you know $x^2 + y^2$.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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@Gilles: yup, you're right; I'll update the answer
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– poncho
yesterday
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I don't get this part: Then, compute $⌊(n−B^2(xymod B))/B^3⌋$ this gives you $xy/B+ϵ$, where $0≤ϵ≤2$. I have $xymod B$ but not $xy$?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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$(n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 = lfloor(xy/B) rfloor + x^2 / B^2 + y^2 / B^2 + xy / B^3$; we know that $x^2 / B^2, y^2 / B^2, xy / B^3$ are all less than 1 (and $ge 0$), and so the sum must be in the interval $[0, 3)$, that is, two or less once you round down...
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Here's how to recover $x, y$ in a way that's easier than factoring $n$ (I'll use the notation $x, y$ rather than your notation $ab, cd$):
We have $n = xyB^2 + (x^2+y^2)B + xy$
First, compute $n bmod B$, that gives you $xy bmod B$
Then, compute $lfloor (n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 rfloor$; this gives you $xy / B + epsilon$, where $0 le epsilon le 2$
Pasting those two together will give you a total of three possibilities of $xy$.
Then, for each possibility, compute $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B + 2xy$ and $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B - 2xy$; if the guess of $epsilon$ is correct, these will be $(x+y)^2$ and $(x-y)^2$; take squareroots, and extract $x, y$ directly.
(Thanks for Giles for pointing out this last part)
answered yesterday
ponchoponcho
93.8k2146244
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Here's how to recover $x, y$ in a way that's easier than factoring $n$ (I'll use the notation $x, y$ rather than your notation $ab, cd$):
We have $n = xyB^2 + (x^2+y^2)B + xy$
First, compute $n bmod B$, that gives you $xy bmod B$
Then, compute $lfloor (n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 rfloor$; this gives you $xy / B + epsilon$, where $0 le epsilon le 2$
Pasting those two together will give you a total of three possibilities of $xy$.
Then, for each possibility, compute $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B + 2xy$ and $(n - xyB^2 - xy) / B - 2xy$; if the guess of $epsilon$ is correct, these will be $(x+y)^2$ and $(x-y)^2$; take squareroots, and extract $x, y$ directly.
(Thanks for Giles for pointing out this last part)
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Yeah, right, the $B^3$ digit of $n$ gives the other digit of $x y$. And there's no need to factor anything: once you know $x y$, you know $x^2 + y^2$.
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– Gilles
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@Gilles: yup, you're right; I'll update the answer
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– poncho
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I don't get this part: Then, compute $⌊(n−B^2(xymod B))/B^3⌋$ this gives you $xy/B+ϵ$, where $0≤ϵ≤2$. I have $xymod B$ but not $xy$?
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$(n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 = lfloor(xy/B) rfloor + x^2 / B^2 + y^2 / B^2 + xy / B^3$; we know that $x^2 / B^2, y^2 / B^2, xy / B^3$ are all less than 1 (and $ge 0$), and so the sum must be in the interval $[0, 3)$, that is, two or less once you round down...
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Yeah, right, the $B^3$ digit of $n$ gives the other digit of $x y$. And there's no need to factor anything: once you know $x y$, you know $x^2 + y^2$.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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@Gilles: yup, you're right; I'll update the answer
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– poncho
yesterday
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I don't get this part: Then, compute $⌊(n−B^2(xymod B))/B^3⌋$ this gives you $xy/B+ϵ$, where $0≤ϵ≤2$. I have $xymod B$ but not $xy$?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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$(n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 = lfloor(xy/B) rfloor + x^2 / B^2 + y^2 / B^2 + xy / B^3$; we know that $x^2 / B^2, y^2 / B^2, xy / B^3$ are all less than 1 (and $ge 0$), and so the sum must be in the interval $[0, 3)$, that is, two or less once you round down...
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– poncho
yesterday
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Yeah, right, the $B^3$ digit of $n$ gives the other digit of $x y$. And there's no need to factor anything: once you know $x y$, you know $x^2 + y^2$.
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– Gilles
yesterday
$begingroup$
Yeah, right, the $B^3$ digit of $n$ gives the other digit of $x y$. And there's no need to factor anything: once you know $x y$, you know $x^2 + y^2$.
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– Gilles
yesterday
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@Gilles: yup, you're right; I'll update the answer
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– poncho
yesterday
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@Gilles: yup, you're right; I'll update the answer
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– poncho
yesterday
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I don't get this part: Then, compute $⌊(n−B^2(xymod B))/B^3⌋$ this gives you $xy/B+ϵ$, where $0≤ϵ≤2$. I have $xymod B$ but not $xy$?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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I don't get this part: Then, compute $⌊(n−B^2(xymod B))/B^3⌋$ this gives you $xy/B+ϵ$, where $0≤ϵ≤2$. I have $xymod B$ but not $xy$?
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– S. L.
yesterday
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$(n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 = lfloor(xy/B) rfloor + x^2 / B^2 + y^2 / B^2 + xy / B^3$; we know that $x^2 / B^2, y^2 / B^2, xy / B^3$ are all less than 1 (and $ge 0$), and so the sum must be in the interval $[0, 3)$, that is, two or less once you round down...
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– poncho
yesterday
$begingroup$
$(n - B^2(xy bmod B)) / B^3 = lfloor(xy/B) rfloor + x^2 / B^2 + y^2 / B^2 + xy / B^3$; we know that $x^2 / B^2, y^2 / B^2, xy / B^3$ are all less than 1 (and $ge 0$), and so the sum must be in the interval $[0, 3)$, that is, two or less once you round down...
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– poncho
yesterday
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Of course, any product of two 4-digit primes is trivially factorable by trial division anyway, since there are only 1061 primes between 1000 and 9999. Add in the digit reversal requirement, and there are only 76(!) possible pairs to consider.
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@Nat: My fault, I added the "$= pq$" for context in an edit, and didn't notice the potential ambiguity. I see Paŭlo has already fixed it.
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I'd just like to add that this is inspired by a contest that just ended (12 minutes ago).
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