How to notate time signature switching consistently every measure
It seems my musical journey's always pushing me into left field territory when it comes to notation ... So this time I'd like to know what would be a good way to notate a consistent switching of time signature every measure.
The piece I'm writing constantly alternates between 5/4 and 3/4, however I think it would be very tiring to read - I assume - if it's written like this:

Should I just mention it at the beginning (If so, how?) and leave out the time signatures? E.g. giving me a score like this:

As you can see that's quite confusing too, since even though the time signature's hidden, there's some space left open. But that's maybe just a limitation of Musescore...
Or maybe I should just go with 8/4 and explain the counting, something like "5+3"?
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It seems my musical journey's always pushing me into left field territory when it comes to notation ... So this time I'd like to know what would be a good way to notate a consistent switching of time signature every measure.
The piece I'm writing constantly alternates between 5/4 and 3/4, however I think it would be very tiring to read - I assume - if it's written like this:

Should I just mention it at the beginning (If so, how?) and leave out the time signatures? E.g. giving me a score like this:

As you can see that's quite confusing too, since even though the time signature's hidden, there's some space left open. But that's maybe just a limitation of Musescore...
Or maybe I should just go with 8/4 and explain the counting, something like "5+3"?
notation time-signatures meter engraving
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...or write it in either 8/4 or even just 4/4 & accent the appropriate beat, with some kind of similie instruction at the top. I know i'd be far more comfortable thinking in terms of "every 2nd bar accent the 2"
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Could you give an example of how you would write that down @Tetsujin?
– Creynders
yesterday
I don't have a scoring app here so I can't do it graphically, sorry - but I'd start out just with something like "Treat as though 5/4+3/4, then over the first couple of bars, I'd add > over the relevant '6th note' for the first few bars & write similie in the next bar. [I have to admit I'm treating it more like a rock band forming a groove/feel than an orchestra reading the dots.]
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Just for the record, it's certainly not unknown to write a new time signature at the start of every bar - e.g. sheetmusicnow.com/products/… Having said that, I've also seen this song notated in 5/4.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
8/4 is a good way to go. you don't really have to explain the beat. it would be implied from the music itself.
– Ringo
yesterday
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It seems my musical journey's always pushing me into left field territory when it comes to notation ... So this time I'd like to know what would be a good way to notate a consistent switching of time signature every measure.
The piece I'm writing constantly alternates between 5/4 and 3/4, however I think it would be very tiring to read - I assume - if it's written like this:

Should I just mention it at the beginning (If so, how?) and leave out the time signatures? E.g. giving me a score like this:

As you can see that's quite confusing too, since even though the time signature's hidden, there's some space left open. But that's maybe just a limitation of Musescore...
Or maybe I should just go with 8/4 and explain the counting, something like "5+3"?
notation time-signatures meter engraving
It seems my musical journey's always pushing me into left field territory when it comes to notation ... So this time I'd like to know what would be a good way to notate a consistent switching of time signature every measure.
The piece I'm writing constantly alternates between 5/4 and 3/4, however I think it would be very tiring to read - I assume - if it's written like this:

Should I just mention it at the beginning (If so, how?) and leave out the time signatures? E.g. giving me a score like this:

As you can see that's quite confusing too, since even though the time signature's hidden, there's some space left open. But that's maybe just a limitation of Musescore...
Or maybe I should just go with 8/4 and explain the counting, something like "5+3"?
notation time-signatures meter engraving
notation time-signatures meter engraving
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...or write it in either 8/4 or even just 4/4 & accent the appropriate beat, with some kind of similie instruction at the top. I know i'd be far more comfortable thinking in terms of "every 2nd bar accent the 2"
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Could you give an example of how you would write that down @Tetsujin?
– Creynders
yesterday
I don't have a scoring app here so I can't do it graphically, sorry - but I'd start out just with something like "Treat as though 5/4+3/4, then over the first couple of bars, I'd add > over the relevant '6th note' for the first few bars & write similie in the next bar. [I have to admit I'm treating it more like a rock band forming a groove/feel than an orchestra reading the dots.]
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Just for the record, it's certainly not unknown to write a new time signature at the start of every bar - e.g. sheetmusicnow.com/products/… Having said that, I've also seen this song notated in 5/4.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
8/4 is a good way to go. you don't really have to explain the beat. it would be implied from the music itself.
– Ringo
yesterday
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...or write it in either 8/4 or even just 4/4 & accent the appropriate beat, with some kind of similie instruction at the top. I know i'd be far more comfortable thinking in terms of "every 2nd bar accent the 2"
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Could you give an example of how you would write that down @Tetsujin?
– Creynders
yesterday
I don't have a scoring app here so I can't do it graphically, sorry - but I'd start out just with something like "Treat as though 5/4+3/4, then over the first couple of bars, I'd add > over the relevant '6th note' for the first few bars & write similie in the next bar. [I have to admit I'm treating it more like a rock band forming a groove/feel than an orchestra reading the dots.]
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Just for the record, it's certainly not unknown to write a new time signature at the start of every bar - e.g. sheetmusicnow.com/products/… Having said that, I've also seen this song notated in 5/4.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
8/4 is a good way to go. you don't really have to explain the beat. it would be implied from the music itself.
– Ringo
yesterday
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...or write it in either 8/4 or even just 4/4 & accent the appropriate beat, with some kind of similie instruction at the top. I know i'd be far more comfortable thinking in terms of "every 2nd bar accent the 2"
– Tetsujin
yesterday
...or write it in either 8/4 or even just 4/4 & accent the appropriate beat, with some kind of similie instruction at the top. I know i'd be far more comfortable thinking in terms of "every 2nd bar accent the 2"
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Could you give an example of how you would write that down @Tetsujin?
– Creynders
yesterday
Could you give an example of how you would write that down @Tetsujin?
– Creynders
yesterday
I don't have a scoring app here so I can't do it graphically, sorry - but I'd start out just with something like "Treat as though 5/4+3/4, then over the first couple of bars, I'd add > over the relevant '6th note' for the first few bars & write similie in the next bar. [I have to admit I'm treating it more like a rock band forming a groove/feel than an orchestra reading the dots.]
– Tetsujin
yesterday
I don't have a scoring app here so I can't do it graphically, sorry - but I'd start out just with something like "Treat as though 5/4+3/4, then over the first couple of bars, I'd add > over the relevant '6th note' for the first few bars & write similie in the next bar. [I have to admit I'm treating it more like a rock band forming a groove/feel than an orchestra reading the dots.]
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Just for the record, it's certainly not unknown to write a new time signature at the start of every bar - e.g. sheetmusicnow.com/products/… Having said that, I've also seen this song notated in 5/4.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
Just for the record, it's certainly not unknown to write a new time signature at the start of every bar - e.g. sheetmusicnow.com/products/… Having said that, I've also seen this song notated in 5/4.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
8/4 is a good way to go. you don't really have to explain the beat. it would be implied from the music itself.
– Ringo
yesterday
8/4 is a good way to go. you don't really have to explain the beat. it would be implied from the music itself.
– Ringo
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Yes, one possible way is to clarify a "5+3" meter throughout. Depending on the music, this could be preferable to just writing 8/4 if the meter is clearly a 5+3 layout.
As one example of how this could be done, consider something like:

Notice that, in the second full measure, a dotted barline shows the distinction between the 5/4 and 3/4 portions of the meter. This is optional; I've seen music like this notated with and without that dotted barline (or something equivalent to it).
As a very similar alternative, you can also notate it without repeating the bottom portion of the time signature:

6
Especially the dotted bar line will make sense in some places, where one of the instruments goes against the ebb and flow feeling
– Creynders
yesterday
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One way which is possible is to show two time signatures, as here from Tchaikovsky's second String Quartet via Popflock:

This warns the user that bars of each length are to be expected.
You haven't tagged the question MuseScore, but MuseScore does allow bars of varying length without having to put a time signature in every time. Right-click the bar, select "Bar properties..." and set the number of beats that bar should have. I think it's intended to allow the last bar to be balanced with an anacrusis at the beginning of a piece, but it works elsewhere.

Unfortunately while this makes it possible to have bars of different lengths, MuseScore can't show more than one time signature at the start.
You can do it, if you cheat a bit. You'd need to put the second time signature in a second measure, and then set the "leading space" to be negative enough to position the second one beside the first, and then manually re-position anything that is in the wrong place. You'd want to do it after you're finished with that line (and use a system break) so it doesn't move on you again. - - That said, it would be nice to have proper support.
– trlkly
yesterday
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As a possible alterative to Richard's answer, you can write the total in the time signature and the division above the staff like this:

This may be easier, depending on the capabilities of your notation software. However, it does imply that the divisions are the fundamental beats. In this case that is four beats to the bar, with beats 1, 2, and 4 being longer than beat 3. But in the original question the beats are implied to be all equal quarter notes.
However, that might prompt you to ask whether this is actually true? Or are the intended groupings really 3+2+3 (or even 2+3+3)? After all, 5/4 is almost always 3+2 or 2+3.
Nice point about 5 breaking down to 3's & 2's. Perhaps there will be cases where 3+2 or 2+3 isn't one constant pattern throughout, but when it is, it seems friendly to show the full additive breakdown.
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
I was going to add that the Derek Bourgeois piece "Serenade" used 11/8 and 13/8 used this (there’s a wind band version plus score on YouTube). I found it quite intuitive to read. But I think that’s your example!
– Pam
yesterday
add a comment |
Most of the mixed-meter scores I've seen use non-dotted measure lines as well (and no "+" sign between the paired meter notations.) . It's just treated as "we will always be switching meter every bar" . See for example West Side Story "America" where it goes into 6/8-3/4 swap time.

8
In this case what changes is the subdivision of the bar, not the total bar duration, so I don't think it really answers the question.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
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Also, even as notated it shows a single meter change not the additive meter
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
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@MichaelCurtis: Starting at bar 32, the meter changes every measure, though the piece would still work if a director opted to conduct as a straight 6/8 throughout. Even if the director conducts as straight 6/8, however, the violin 2 player should still regard second eighth note in bars like 33, 35, etc. as being off the beat and should thus not accent them more strongly than the first.
– supercat
yesterday
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This example is more general than OP's question. A generalized solution should be acceptable.
– ContextSwitch
yesterday
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@ContextSwitch I think it would be a little misleading to put the second time signature in parentheses in the general case where the total bar duration changes from bar to bar. I definitely prefer Richard's answer for clarity.
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Yes, one possible way is to clarify a "5+3" meter throughout. Depending on the music, this could be preferable to just writing 8/4 if the meter is clearly a 5+3 layout.
As one example of how this could be done, consider something like:

Notice that, in the second full measure, a dotted barline shows the distinction between the 5/4 and 3/4 portions of the meter. This is optional; I've seen music like this notated with and without that dotted barline (or something equivalent to it).
As a very similar alternative, you can also notate it without repeating the bottom portion of the time signature:

6
Especially the dotted bar line will make sense in some places, where one of the instruments goes against the ebb and flow feeling
– Creynders
yesterday
add a comment |
Yes, one possible way is to clarify a "5+3" meter throughout. Depending on the music, this could be preferable to just writing 8/4 if the meter is clearly a 5+3 layout.
As one example of how this could be done, consider something like:

Notice that, in the second full measure, a dotted barline shows the distinction between the 5/4 and 3/4 portions of the meter. This is optional; I've seen music like this notated with and without that dotted barline (or something equivalent to it).
As a very similar alternative, you can also notate it without repeating the bottom portion of the time signature:

6
Especially the dotted bar line will make sense in some places, where one of the instruments goes against the ebb and flow feeling
– Creynders
yesterday
add a comment |
Yes, one possible way is to clarify a "5+3" meter throughout. Depending on the music, this could be preferable to just writing 8/4 if the meter is clearly a 5+3 layout.
As one example of how this could be done, consider something like:

Notice that, in the second full measure, a dotted barline shows the distinction between the 5/4 and 3/4 portions of the meter. This is optional; I've seen music like this notated with and without that dotted barline (or something equivalent to it).
As a very similar alternative, you can also notate it without repeating the bottom portion of the time signature:

Yes, one possible way is to clarify a "5+3" meter throughout. Depending on the music, this could be preferable to just writing 8/4 if the meter is clearly a 5+3 layout.
As one example of how this could be done, consider something like:

Notice that, in the second full measure, a dotted barline shows the distinction between the 5/4 and 3/4 portions of the meter. This is optional; I've seen music like this notated with and without that dotted barline (or something equivalent to it).
As a very similar alternative, you can also notate it without repeating the bottom portion of the time signature:

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Especially the dotted bar line will make sense in some places, where one of the instruments goes against the ebb and flow feeling
– Creynders
yesterday
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Especially the dotted bar line will make sense in some places, where one of the instruments goes against the ebb and flow feeling
– Creynders
yesterday
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Especially the dotted bar line will make sense in some places, where one of the instruments goes against the ebb and flow feeling
– Creynders
yesterday
Especially the dotted bar line will make sense in some places, where one of the instruments goes against the ebb and flow feeling
– Creynders
yesterday
add a comment |
One way which is possible is to show two time signatures, as here from Tchaikovsky's second String Quartet via Popflock:

This warns the user that bars of each length are to be expected.
You haven't tagged the question MuseScore, but MuseScore does allow bars of varying length without having to put a time signature in every time. Right-click the bar, select "Bar properties..." and set the number of beats that bar should have. I think it's intended to allow the last bar to be balanced with an anacrusis at the beginning of a piece, but it works elsewhere.

Unfortunately while this makes it possible to have bars of different lengths, MuseScore can't show more than one time signature at the start.
You can do it, if you cheat a bit. You'd need to put the second time signature in a second measure, and then set the "leading space" to be negative enough to position the second one beside the first, and then manually re-position anything that is in the wrong place. You'd want to do it after you're finished with that line (and use a system break) so it doesn't move on you again. - - That said, it would be nice to have proper support.
– trlkly
yesterday
add a comment |
One way which is possible is to show two time signatures, as here from Tchaikovsky's second String Quartet via Popflock:

This warns the user that bars of each length are to be expected.
You haven't tagged the question MuseScore, but MuseScore does allow bars of varying length without having to put a time signature in every time. Right-click the bar, select "Bar properties..." and set the number of beats that bar should have. I think it's intended to allow the last bar to be balanced with an anacrusis at the beginning of a piece, but it works elsewhere.

Unfortunately while this makes it possible to have bars of different lengths, MuseScore can't show more than one time signature at the start.
You can do it, if you cheat a bit. You'd need to put the second time signature in a second measure, and then set the "leading space" to be negative enough to position the second one beside the first, and then manually re-position anything that is in the wrong place. You'd want to do it after you're finished with that line (and use a system break) so it doesn't move on you again. - - That said, it would be nice to have proper support.
– trlkly
yesterday
add a comment |
One way which is possible is to show two time signatures, as here from Tchaikovsky's second String Quartet via Popflock:

This warns the user that bars of each length are to be expected.
You haven't tagged the question MuseScore, but MuseScore does allow bars of varying length without having to put a time signature in every time. Right-click the bar, select "Bar properties..." and set the number of beats that bar should have. I think it's intended to allow the last bar to be balanced with an anacrusis at the beginning of a piece, but it works elsewhere.

Unfortunately while this makes it possible to have bars of different lengths, MuseScore can't show more than one time signature at the start.
One way which is possible is to show two time signatures, as here from Tchaikovsky's second String Quartet via Popflock:

This warns the user that bars of each length are to be expected.
You haven't tagged the question MuseScore, but MuseScore does allow bars of varying length without having to put a time signature in every time. Right-click the bar, select "Bar properties..." and set the number of beats that bar should have. I think it's intended to allow the last bar to be balanced with an anacrusis at the beginning of a piece, but it works elsewhere.

Unfortunately while this makes it possible to have bars of different lengths, MuseScore can't show more than one time signature at the start.
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You can do it, if you cheat a bit. You'd need to put the second time signature in a second measure, and then set the "leading space" to be negative enough to position the second one beside the first, and then manually re-position anything that is in the wrong place. You'd want to do it after you're finished with that line (and use a system break) so it doesn't move on you again. - - That said, it would be nice to have proper support.
– trlkly
yesterday
add a comment |
You can do it, if you cheat a bit. You'd need to put the second time signature in a second measure, and then set the "leading space" to be negative enough to position the second one beside the first, and then manually re-position anything that is in the wrong place. You'd want to do it after you're finished with that line (and use a system break) so it doesn't move on you again. - - That said, it would be nice to have proper support.
– trlkly
yesterday
You can do it, if you cheat a bit. You'd need to put the second time signature in a second measure, and then set the "leading space" to be negative enough to position the second one beside the first, and then manually re-position anything that is in the wrong place. You'd want to do it after you're finished with that line (and use a system break) so it doesn't move on you again. - - That said, it would be nice to have proper support.
– trlkly
yesterday
You can do it, if you cheat a bit. You'd need to put the second time signature in a second measure, and then set the "leading space" to be negative enough to position the second one beside the first, and then manually re-position anything that is in the wrong place. You'd want to do it after you're finished with that line (and use a system break) so it doesn't move on you again. - - That said, it would be nice to have proper support.
– trlkly
yesterday
add a comment |
As a possible alterative to Richard's answer, you can write the total in the time signature and the division above the staff like this:

This may be easier, depending on the capabilities of your notation software. However, it does imply that the divisions are the fundamental beats. In this case that is four beats to the bar, with beats 1, 2, and 4 being longer than beat 3. But in the original question the beats are implied to be all equal quarter notes.
However, that might prompt you to ask whether this is actually true? Or are the intended groupings really 3+2+3 (or even 2+3+3)? After all, 5/4 is almost always 3+2 or 2+3.
Nice point about 5 breaking down to 3's & 2's. Perhaps there will be cases where 3+2 or 2+3 isn't one constant pattern throughout, but when it is, it seems friendly to show the full additive breakdown.
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
I was going to add that the Derek Bourgeois piece "Serenade" used 11/8 and 13/8 used this (there’s a wind band version plus score on YouTube). I found it quite intuitive to read. But I think that’s your example!
– Pam
yesterday
add a comment |
As a possible alterative to Richard's answer, you can write the total in the time signature and the division above the staff like this:

This may be easier, depending on the capabilities of your notation software. However, it does imply that the divisions are the fundamental beats. In this case that is four beats to the bar, with beats 1, 2, and 4 being longer than beat 3. But in the original question the beats are implied to be all equal quarter notes.
However, that might prompt you to ask whether this is actually true? Or are the intended groupings really 3+2+3 (or even 2+3+3)? After all, 5/4 is almost always 3+2 or 2+3.
Nice point about 5 breaking down to 3's & 2's. Perhaps there will be cases where 3+2 or 2+3 isn't one constant pattern throughout, but when it is, it seems friendly to show the full additive breakdown.
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
I was going to add that the Derek Bourgeois piece "Serenade" used 11/8 and 13/8 used this (there’s a wind band version plus score on YouTube). I found it quite intuitive to read. But I think that’s your example!
– Pam
yesterday
add a comment |
As a possible alterative to Richard's answer, you can write the total in the time signature and the division above the staff like this:

This may be easier, depending on the capabilities of your notation software. However, it does imply that the divisions are the fundamental beats. In this case that is four beats to the bar, with beats 1, 2, and 4 being longer than beat 3. But in the original question the beats are implied to be all equal quarter notes.
However, that might prompt you to ask whether this is actually true? Or are the intended groupings really 3+2+3 (or even 2+3+3)? After all, 5/4 is almost always 3+2 or 2+3.
As a possible alterative to Richard's answer, you can write the total in the time signature and the division above the staff like this:

This may be easier, depending on the capabilities of your notation software. However, it does imply that the divisions are the fundamental beats. In this case that is four beats to the bar, with beats 1, 2, and 4 being longer than beat 3. But in the original question the beats are implied to be all equal quarter notes.
However, that might prompt you to ask whether this is actually true? Or are the intended groupings really 3+2+3 (or even 2+3+3)? After all, 5/4 is almost always 3+2 or 2+3.
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Nice point about 5 breaking down to 3's & 2's. Perhaps there will be cases where 3+2 or 2+3 isn't one constant pattern throughout, but when it is, it seems friendly to show the full additive breakdown.
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
I was going to add that the Derek Bourgeois piece "Serenade" used 11/8 and 13/8 used this (there’s a wind band version plus score on YouTube). I found it quite intuitive to read. But I think that’s your example!
– Pam
yesterday
add a comment |
Nice point about 5 breaking down to 3's & 2's. Perhaps there will be cases where 3+2 or 2+3 isn't one constant pattern throughout, but when it is, it seems friendly to show the full additive breakdown.
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
I was going to add that the Derek Bourgeois piece "Serenade" used 11/8 and 13/8 used this (there’s a wind band version plus score on YouTube). I found it quite intuitive to read. But I think that’s your example!
– Pam
yesterday
Nice point about 5 breaking down to 3's & 2's. Perhaps there will be cases where 3+2 or 2+3 isn't one constant pattern throughout, but when it is, it seems friendly to show the full additive breakdown.
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
Nice point about 5 breaking down to 3's & 2's. Perhaps there will be cases where 3+2 or 2+3 isn't one constant pattern throughout, but when it is, it seems friendly to show the full additive breakdown.
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
1
I was going to add that the Derek Bourgeois piece "Serenade" used 11/8 and 13/8 used this (there’s a wind band version plus score on YouTube). I found it quite intuitive to read. But I think that’s your example!
– Pam
yesterday
I was going to add that the Derek Bourgeois piece "Serenade" used 11/8 and 13/8 used this (there’s a wind band version plus score on YouTube). I found it quite intuitive to read. But I think that’s your example!
– Pam
yesterday
add a comment |
Most of the mixed-meter scores I've seen use non-dotted measure lines as well (and no "+" sign between the paired meter notations.) . It's just treated as "we will always be switching meter every bar" . See for example West Side Story "America" where it goes into 6/8-3/4 swap time.

8
In this case what changes is the subdivision of the bar, not the total bar duration, so I don't think it really answers the question.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
1
Also, even as notated it shows a single meter change not the additive meter
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
@MichaelCurtis: Starting at bar 32, the meter changes every measure, though the piece would still work if a director opted to conduct as a straight 6/8 throughout. Even if the director conducts as straight 6/8, however, the violin 2 player should still regard second eighth note in bars like 33, 35, etc. as being off the beat and should thus not accent them more strongly than the first.
– supercat
yesterday
3
This example is more general than OP's question. A generalized solution should be acceptable.
– ContextSwitch
yesterday
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@ContextSwitch I think it would be a little misleading to put the second time signature in parentheses in the general case where the total bar duration changes from bar to bar. I definitely prefer Richard's answer for clarity.
– Ian Goldby
16 hours ago
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Most of the mixed-meter scores I've seen use non-dotted measure lines as well (and no "+" sign between the paired meter notations.) . It's just treated as "we will always be switching meter every bar" . See for example West Side Story "America" where it goes into 6/8-3/4 swap time.

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In this case what changes is the subdivision of the bar, not the total bar duration, so I don't think it really answers the question.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
1
Also, even as notated it shows a single meter change not the additive meter
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
@MichaelCurtis: Starting at bar 32, the meter changes every measure, though the piece would still work if a director opted to conduct as a straight 6/8 throughout. Even if the director conducts as straight 6/8, however, the violin 2 player should still regard second eighth note in bars like 33, 35, etc. as being off the beat and should thus not accent them more strongly than the first.
– supercat
yesterday
3
This example is more general than OP's question. A generalized solution should be acceptable.
– ContextSwitch
yesterday
1
@ContextSwitch I think it would be a little misleading to put the second time signature in parentheses in the general case where the total bar duration changes from bar to bar. I definitely prefer Richard's answer for clarity.
– Ian Goldby
16 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Most of the mixed-meter scores I've seen use non-dotted measure lines as well (and no "+" sign between the paired meter notations.) . It's just treated as "we will always be switching meter every bar" . See for example West Side Story "America" where it goes into 6/8-3/4 swap time.

Most of the mixed-meter scores I've seen use non-dotted measure lines as well (and no "+" sign between the paired meter notations.) . It's just treated as "we will always be switching meter every bar" . See for example West Side Story "America" where it goes into 6/8-3/4 swap time.

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In this case what changes is the subdivision of the bar, not the total bar duration, so I don't think it really answers the question.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
1
Also, even as notated it shows a single meter change not the additive meter
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
@MichaelCurtis: Starting at bar 32, the meter changes every measure, though the piece would still work if a director opted to conduct as a straight 6/8 throughout. Even if the director conducts as straight 6/8, however, the violin 2 player should still regard second eighth note in bars like 33, 35, etc. as being off the beat and should thus not accent them more strongly than the first.
– supercat
yesterday
3
This example is more general than OP's question. A generalized solution should be acceptable.
– ContextSwitch
yesterday
1
@ContextSwitch I think it would be a little misleading to put the second time signature in parentheses in the general case where the total bar duration changes from bar to bar. I definitely prefer Richard's answer for clarity.
– Ian Goldby
16 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
8
In this case what changes is the subdivision of the bar, not the total bar duration, so I don't think it really answers the question.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
1
Also, even as notated it shows a single meter change not the additive meter
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
@MichaelCurtis: Starting at bar 32, the meter changes every measure, though the piece would still work if a director opted to conduct as a straight 6/8 throughout. Even if the director conducts as straight 6/8, however, the violin 2 player should still regard second eighth note in bars like 33, 35, etc. as being off the beat and should thus not accent them more strongly than the first.
– supercat
yesterday
3
This example is more general than OP's question. A generalized solution should be acceptable.
– ContextSwitch
yesterday
1
@ContextSwitch I think it would be a little misleading to put the second time signature in parentheses in the general case where the total bar duration changes from bar to bar. I definitely prefer Richard's answer for clarity.
– Ian Goldby
16 hours ago
8
8
In this case what changes is the subdivision of the bar, not the total bar duration, so I don't think it really answers the question.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
In this case what changes is the subdivision of the bar, not the total bar duration, so I don't think it really answers the question.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
1
1
Also, even as notated it shows a single meter change not the additive meter
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
Also, even as notated it shows a single meter change not the additive meter
– Michael Curtis
yesterday
1
1
@MichaelCurtis: Starting at bar 32, the meter changes every measure, though the piece would still work if a director opted to conduct as a straight 6/8 throughout. Even if the director conducts as straight 6/8, however, the violin 2 player should still regard second eighth note in bars like 33, 35, etc. as being off the beat and should thus not accent them more strongly than the first.
– supercat
yesterday
@MichaelCurtis: Starting at bar 32, the meter changes every measure, though the piece would still work if a director opted to conduct as a straight 6/8 throughout. Even if the director conducts as straight 6/8, however, the violin 2 player should still regard second eighth note in bars like 33, 35, etc. as being off the beat and should thus not accent them more strongly than the first.
– supercat
yesterday
3
3
This example is more general than OP's question. A generalized solution should be acceptable.
– ContextSwitch
yesterday
This example is more general than OP's question. A generalized solution should be acceptable.
– ContextSwitch
yesterday
1
1
@ContextSwitch I think it would be a little misleading to put the second time signature in parentheses in the general case where the total bar duration changes from bar to bar. I definitely prefer Richard's answer for clarity.
– Ian Goldby
16 hours ago
@ContextSwitch I think it would be a little misleading to put the second time signature in parentheses in the general case where the total bar duration changes from bar to bar. I definitely prefer Richard's answer for clarity.
– Ian Goldby
16 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
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...or write it in either 8/4 or even just 4/4 & accent the appropriate beat, with some kind of similie instruction at the top. I know i'd be far more comfortable thinking in terms of "every 2nd bar accent the 2"
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Could you give an example of how you would write that down @Tetsujin?
– Creynders
yesterday
I don't have a scoring app here so I can't do it graphically, sorry - but I'd start out just with something like "Treat as though 5/4+3/4, then over the first couple of bars, I'd add > over the relevant '6th note' for the first few bars & write similie in the next bar. [I have to admit I'm treating it more like a rock band forming a groove/feel than an orchestra reading the dots.]
– Tetsujin
yesterday
Just for the record, it's certainly not unknown to write a new time signature at the start of every bar - e.g. sheetmusicnow.com/products/… Having said that, I've also seen this song notated in 5/4.
– Ian Goldby
yesterday
8/4 is a good way to go. you don't really have to explain the beat. it would be implied from the music itself.
– Ringo
yesterday